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Old 05-16-2007, 02:22 AM
JrJordan JrJordan is offline
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Default Can I call this scare card river?

Villain is 17/9 over 400 hands. We're both fairly deep so I'm not too concerned with the preflop call.

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UTG ($821)
MP ($413.30)
CO ($1115.55)
Hero ($1197.65)
SB ($1058.85)
BB ($555)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $80</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $56.

Flop: ($166) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, SB calls $100.

Turn: ($366) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($366) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $350</font>, Hero...
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Old 05-16-2007, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

i'd shove before I call, which is to say I'd fold
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Old 05-16-2007, 02:54 AM
Go_Blue88 Go_Blue88 is offline
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

this hand is completely read-based and all you provided was "17/9." come on man, if you want good advice on a hand like this, you should describe past hands with your opponent, your thoughts on his tendencies, etc.
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:29 AM
Geir74 Geir74 is offline
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

Aggression factor would be very helpful.

If he is as nitty postflop as pre, I think you can safely fold.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:08 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

seems like a pretty simple fold...
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:08 AM
Flatlanman3 Flatlanman3 is offline
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

simple fold, you would have a better idea of your place in the hand if you bet the turn. as played, i fold this
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

why not bet turn?

as played i'd fold river
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: Can I call this scare card river?

I'd be very tempted to call this here although as already said it's so opponent dependent. If he shows AA or a flopped set well good bet to him, otherwise, i think this is some random pocket pair (which decided to turn into bluff due to our turn check, so standard) or suited connector 1 pair hand crap a lot.
My point is passive nits like this tend to milk waaaay too much, and after showing weakness on the turn i'm surprised we get a pot sized river bet.

His stats could make me change my mind, what about his postflop aggression?

P.S: I really don't think shove&gt;call here Jinx, his range is very air/set based and he's like never bluffing with a better hand, why in the world would you prefer shoving than calling? Trying to make bottom set fold?
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