1/2 River spots

[milesdyson]

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Miles, how does betting hand 1 one gets you value from flushdraws?


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all that stuff i said was what checking does. checking gains from busted flush draws when they bluff the river. checking misses value from Tx.

[jstill]

there are pretty much no flush draws in hand 1 he can have that dont beat u, QJ KQ KJ all beat u (altho QJ would raise the turn). What other hands is he 3betting preflop that flop a flush draw esp with the T being a club?

hand 1s really hard and i have no idea what to do, i wish we could just ck fold but i ck call for the chop i guess.

hand 2s an easy bet fold, tons of value from worse As, Jx usually pays off once it gets to the river and sometimes worse pairs T9 also ect

hand 3 i bet but if he ll auto fire any missed draw and peel JT all the way to the river i doubt theres much of a difference between betting and ck calling

[dietlime]

1. ck-call - trying to induce the bluff

2. check - instinct was to say bet-fold but the hands we beat that are calling: A7,A9,QJ,KJ and less likely QQ,KK - but there are a lot more hands thaat we are behind

3. bet-call - value is thin here especially if we call any raise so I think ck-call is ok too

[sweetjazz]

I think hand 1 is a bet/fold unless button is tricky or erratic.

Hand 2 is close, but I think it's one of those very thin check behinds. Plus, even if you're giving up a little EV, finding that sick check behind when villain was going for the check/raise is just awesome.

Hand 3 is a bet/fold versus a loose/passive, but a check/call against a semi-competent or better opponent.