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Old 05-10-2007, 01:30 PM
Fat Nicky Fat Nicky is offline
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Default 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

Villain is a solid TAG. Sevargm on ftp. 20/15/4. no recent history i can recall. this hand was early in the session.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $179.00</font>
BB: $227.60
UTG: $200.00
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $207.95</font>
CO: $154.70
BTN: $95.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $6.00, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $30.00</font>,


i really hate these spots. but seriously, how often is JJ that same as AA here?
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Old 05-10-2007, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

Looks like a fold. Combo draw or set seems most likely putting you in a SA/WB situation.

double edit: thought this was NL100. guess calling and reevaluating turn is ok
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Old 05-10-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

I find these 2.5x raises are never great hands. I think I'd call here. Not sure if a lot of villains make such small raises with sets on such a drawy board.
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Old 05-10-2007, 01:43 PM
Michaelson Michaelson is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

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I find these 2.5x raises are never great hands. I think I'd call here. Not sure if a lot of villains make such small raises with sets on such a drawy board.

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Turns that suck:

any club
any 6
any 8
any 9
any Q
any K
any A

Do we really want to play this slow if we continue?

I probably with position if I'm at the table myself, but I'm starting to think I should fold more in these spots. There's just no confident way to play the hand and it's a reverse implied odds nightmare.
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Old 05-15-2007, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

I was villain here.

It's a tough spot, and it's meant to be that way. Folding, calling, and reraising (less so) are all valid options for different reasons depending on the frequencies I'm using.

JJ isn't exactly the same as AA here because if I'm raising with overcards, any Q/K/A could potentially make me a hand.
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Old 05-15-2007, 02:45 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

2.5 raises from TAGs are air a lot.
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Old 05-15-2007, 02:56 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

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2.5 raises from TAGs are air a lot.

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As a side note, I made all my check raises 2.5x that night to see what happened.

You get 3 bet by good players a lot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:01 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

say he calls the flop and villain bets 1/2 pot on the turn . . . full pot?
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:35 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

nice...i forgot about this hand. i called the flop. here's the turn.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $179.00</font>
BB: $227.60
UTG: $200.00
<font color="black">Hero (MP): $207.95</font>
CO: $154.70
BTN: $95.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $6.00, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($16) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $30.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($76) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $45.00</font>, Hero ????
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:39 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - I hate JJ and wish it would die.

looks like value-town
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