KK .25/50 Stars. What to do on flop? - Page 2

marchron · #11 05-14-2007, 03:45 AM

Weellllll, MP3 could have AQ and SB could have JT[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

For 10-1 odds I might take you up on that, lolz.

Spurious · #12 05-14-2007, 01:20 PM

I think someone made a set.
I think its not wrong to fold here. I think they'll cap it on every street or at least you gotta call 2 BBs on each street at least.

bozlax · #13 05-14-2007, 01:49 PM

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Call. What else?

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Folding isn't out of the question. SB bet out into the preflop 3-bettor and capper, and MP3, having pf3'd your UTG pfr, 3-bets your flop raise, then SB caps. What do YOU think these guys have? I don't think you have to reduce your outs too much, as players at these limits usually aren't savvy enough to play a draw hard (unless it's the aforementioned J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]), but that said you're only getting 11:1 immediate, and if you hit one of your outs and still getting action you're going to have to be cautious so your implieds suck.

Fold.

Eriol · #14 05-14-2007, 02:02 PM

I don't understand why you say to call a BB on the flop and fold to a BB on the turn.

If you play that way practically you pay 2 outs a BB (11:1). Do you think the implied odds really make that pot 22:1?

I'm not ironic, I'm only noob [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

defence18 · #15 05-14-2007, 10:40 PM

Some good discussion here. I too felt that I couldn't be ahead here. Here is the completed HH.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, SB caps, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (11.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, MP3 raises, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 17.5BB

Needless to say, I was pretty floored with the results. I immediately posted the hand here. However, I'm still not sure that I would play it differently. Although calling down is probably not a bad idea.

bozlax · #16 05-14-2007, 10:56 PM

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Needless to say, I was pretty floored with the results.

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[sotto voce] Uh, dude, you didn't tell us what the results were, so it does need to be said. [/voce]

I'm guessing that AQo won the hand vs. A9? Something like that? Doesn't matter, when two unknowns go nutbag like this you have to figure your pocket pair isn't going to cut it and you don't have the odds to draw to 2 or fewer outs. Reasonable fold.

kerowo · #17 05-14-2007, 11:00 PM

Now you can join the "I saw someone cap a flush draw on the flop" club.

defence18 · #18 05-14-2007, 11:11 PM

Yeah, I'm an idiot. What can I say.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, SB caps, Hero folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (11.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, MP3 calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, MP3 raises, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 17.5BB
MP3 showed Qd Ah
SB mucks Kd Qh

BigBadBabar · #19 05-14-2007, 11:44 PM

okay i am just looking at this for the first time. the flop fold is horrific. any fold is really bad. i am like 90% sure you are ahead on the flop probably against aq and something else.

don't fold overpairs especially in big pots please.

akak · #20 05-15-2007, 12:05 AM

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okay i am just looking at this for the first time. the flop fold is horrific. any fold is really bad. i am like 90% sure you are ahead on the flop probably against aq and something else.

don't fold overpairs especially in big pots please.

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well, now that you see the results... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] haha just kidding

I think you'd have to fold the turn if its two back to you though...