Micro PLO Beginner - Hand Advice & FH Laydown

DeadDrawDonk · #1 05-13-2007, 07:06 PM

Hi. Started playing .01/.02 Omaha on Stars a week ago, and have a generally positive win rate for a newb, though I still make some donkey mistakes, hopefully learning from them (the biggest lesson being don't play while tired). I've done some suckout plays, and am wondering if I made a technical mistake even when winning that will come back to haunt me. I might think this because people love to tell me how horrible my play was after I suck out on the river, but they may be right. 2 hands for this example:

HAND 1

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $3.52
Hero (BB): $4.69
UTG: $3.75
MP: $4.80
CO: $3.00
BTN: $5.16

Reads: Button seemed overaggressive with what I thought were goofy hands, though my choices were admittedly not much better. I thought on the turn he had to have the nut straight or was overplaying the second nut, which I shared with a redraw. Actually reading the HH I feel a lot better about this, but I thought he had T-A at the time.

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO checks, BTN raises to $0.10, SB folds, Hero calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.08, MP folds, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.43) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG folds, CO calls $0.20, BTN raises to $1.23, Hero calls $1.03, CO calls $1.03

Turn: ($4.12) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets all-in for $3.83, Hero calls all-in for $3.36, CO folds
Uncalled bet of $0.47 returned to BTN

River: ($10.84) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $10.84 ($0.50 Rake)

BTN had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and LOST (-$4.69)
Hero had 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Nines full of Tens) and WON (+$5.65)

I should have read the IHH and saw what he had, but I started thinking I was betting too optimistically and so made a bad fold here (the winner was the same player I sucked out on in the previous hand):

HAND 2

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $5.08
BB: $3.86
UTG: $4.99
Hero (MP): $9.67
CO: $2.86
BTN: $4.89

Reads: I actually thought he was drawing to the K flush on the turn, but I doubted myself enough to fold the bet on a draw only against 2 players.

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, BTN folds, SB calls $0.06, BB raises to $0.16, Hero calls $0.10, CO folds, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.64) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, SB raises to $1.12, BB calls $1.00, Hero folds

River: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.36, SB raises all-in to $3.78, BB calls all-in for $0.20
Uncalled bet of $1.22 returned to SB

Pot Size: $8.12 ($0.35 Rake)

BB had 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON (+$3.91)
SB had J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ([Jc 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7d] (a straight, Five to Nine)) and LOST (-$3.86)

I'm trying to be a tighter player preflop, since I know I can get into trouble with low pairs, naked pairs, etc., but I'm wondering if I don't profit as much when I play ABC Omaha, since I don't take as many marginally bad hands that turn into monsters (folding a ragged Q high flush hand preflop and seeing AKx suited flop, etc). This was the hardest laydown I've made in Omaha yet, but I thought he might have had a set on the flop. My turn call was the "don't play tired" lesson.

HAND 3

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1.88
BB: $16.86
Hero (UTG): $3.85
CO: $9.75
BTN: $0.69

Reads: CO has been playing pretty tight; multi tabler with consistently good results.

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.16, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.42) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO raises to $1.08, Hero calls $0.86

River: ($2.58) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.48, Hero folds

Pot Size: $5.06 ($0.10 Rake)

Was I too optimistic on these two hands?

HAND 4

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $6.76
BB: $2.05
UTG: $2.11
Hero (CO): $2.78
BTN: $3.40

Reads: Players were making some mistakes, and I picked up a good hand. With all the preflop raising, I figured that I was a favorite since I didn\'t see any other AAxx hands possible, so I went in figuring I\'d just push all in unless the flop was truly horrid, as evidence by my needless raise vs nobody who could call it. Was this overaggressive? I think this was just one of those "right hand at the right time" things in retrospect.

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.03, BB raises to $0.06, UTG calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, SB raises to $0.36, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, Hero raises to $0.66, BTN folds, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Flop: ($2.70) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets all-in for $1.45, Hero raises all-in to $2.12, SB folds, BB calls all-in for $1.39
Uncalled bet of $0.67 returned to Hero

Turn: ($6.99) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 3 All-In)

River: ($6.99) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $6.99 ($0.30 Rake)

BB had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$2.05)
UTG had Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ([Qc 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Ts] (a flush, Queen high)) and LOST (-$2.11)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$4.58)

HAND 5

Poker Stars - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $3.53
BB: $3.35
UTG: $2.50
MP: $2.32
CO: $0.87
Hero (BTN): $2.74

Reads: Table was fairly loose. However, I was afraid of trips on the flop, and the pot was big enough I thought it was worth a push to get people out, and I still had some outs for a FH.

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06, MP raises to $0.14, CO calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.06, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.71) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.50, 2 folds, MP calls $0.50, CO folds

Turn: ($1.71) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP bets $1.66, Hero raises all-in to $2.10, MP calls all-in for $0.02
Uncalled bet of $0.42 returned to Hero

River: ($5.07) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $5.07 ($0.25 Rake)

MP had 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ([9h 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Kc] (a pair of Jacks)) and LOST (-$2.32)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Jacks) and WON (+$2.50)

I know I was fairly lucky in some of these hands, and especially in the first one I played the all-in on feel rather than odds, since my odds said I should lose. Is this an overall losing approach to PLO?

Sorry for the long post, but I'm trying to get better. Any criticism appreciated.

Troll_Inc · #2 05-13-2007, 07:12 PM

my recommendation for playing anything PLO25 and below would be to just play and every session take your 10 biggest hands and calculate how well you got your money in on each street.

I.e. preflop run the numbers on twodimes.net vs your opponents. See how much money you put in and what your pot equity was.

Repeat for each street.

I'd do this for at least 10 or 20,000 hands minimum.

Play this until you understand everything, then move up to a higher game and try and beat that game and start analyzing your play from a poker standpoint.

DeadDrawDonk · #3 05-13-2007, 07:23 PM

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my recommendation for playing anything PLO25 and below would be to just play and every session take your 10 biggest hands and calculate how well you got your money in on each street.

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Biggest hands meaning favored starting hands, or meaning the biggest cash swings? Thanks for your reply.

Troll_Inc · #4 05-13-2007, 07:54 PM

10 biggest pots that you play that go to showdown.

Another thing to add in there is to keep notes of what you think your opponent has on each street, i.e. what is "range" is and then check it against what he actually has once the cards are turned over.