Gambool? Enough FE or just bleh? 50NL

[corsakh]

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Calling a SS UTG raiser with a SC OOP is standard?

ps You have relative position everytime you call someone preflop HU. Helps you much? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Read the hand..The pot is not HU CO with a 70BB stack is coming along...Thus relative position..Helps you much???

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So now its like playing SC OOP against a full stack except for 2 times less implied odss and doubled reversed?

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[Kasane]

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Difficult postflop situations are generated by poor preflop decisions like 95% of the time.

If you want an adequate answer how to fix the hand - play it differently preflop.


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This hand would play almost the same if UTG had 50BB -- so the pf is almost irrelevant from that standpoint. I'd call pf and we'd still be here. No fixing involved. Admittedly, this exact situation w/UTG so short will come up almost never; but I'll face nearly identical situations.

[corsakh]

If you call a SS raise from OOP with a SC.. There is nothing I can add.

[Joe_Franco]

What kind of value are you going to get out of the s/c from out of position?

[spyderracing]

Play on the flop is fine. Even if he has an overpair you're at worst a 70/30 (to 77) and usually a 60/40. Pre-flop play has been addressed in this thread and in the OP, so obv OP knows it's bad. STOP DOIN' IT!

[Jay Riall]

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playing sc's oop is bad.. playing sc's oop vs short stacks is really bad.

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First statement is very wrong, but maybe useful if you are not content playing marginal hands oop at the moment. Obviously playing them vs shortstacks is bad.

Flop play is good.

[Jim14Qc]

please get off the call pf, he explained it at the very first line (or so).

I like the play tbh, UTG doesn't have anything unless he planned to c/r a set (most SS don't raise 22-55 preflop) and CO must fold most hands since you just called preflop and get active here. If he's bad, you'll see stuff like A3o and flush draws (and overpairs), if he's good he'll fold pairs below 99 (that haven't hit a set), in any case as said before equity is never down to something like 80/20.

I'm not sure about making it 25 instead of pushing, though. I agree that 25 might represent more strenght, but it really depends on CO's ability to read that, and we don't have a read yet. I think push may be better against unknown, and to 25 against a somewhat taggish kind. Not sure though, I'd like to hear about it more.

[prodonkey]

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playing sc's oop is bad.. playing sc's oop vs short stacks is really bad.

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First statement is very wrong, but maybe useful if you are not content playing marginal hands oop at the moment. Obviously playing them vs shortstacks is bad.

Flop play is good.

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ty for the insight, why is it very wrong. If you're opening stuff down to 56s utg you're going to be playing like 40+% of hands and a ton of them without any regard to position.