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#81
05-12-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
"It is this dichotomy (Fundamentals & Hand Reading)that DS is pointing out in this thread. But what I want to add now is that while someone like Greenstein and others are no doubt very intelligent, by not reading all the literature they are "leaving something on the table", so to speak. They are not playing perfectly, and they could improve their game. And even if a lot of the material is reinforcing already known and understood concepts, reviewing the material will surely prevent some mistakes.
It would be interesting to rate the top players based on Fundamentals vs Hand Reading Ability." In most cases, the established great players understand the fundamentals better than the authors of most books do. 
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#83
05-13-2007, 08:44 AM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
First off:
[ QUOTE ] It really is true. And I'm not going to say something mean like the merely good players don't fully appreciate me. That's not the reason... [/ QUOTE ] You just did you moron. Second, What is lacking a person that has to make a claim like the one in this post in the first place? I say anyone that feel a need to claim in words in a highly frequented forum how good/kind/clever/smart/sexy/what-have-you they are, probably are quite frustrated they and their mothers seem to be the only ones thinking so. If you have to claim in words traits others do not recognize in you, you are delusional. Go back under your rock and just write me another book, because I do like the ones you have written so far - despite the fact you're one strange bird...
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#84
05-13-2007, 10:49 AM
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2. Most of the top players haven't read much beyond my book and possibly a little of super/system, mainly because they know Doyle and me personally. [/ QUOTE ] Barry Greenstein: How sure can you be about that? How often do you discuss this topic so you can be sure? What about the people who say they don't read this stuff because they just don't want people to know what they know? So most of the top players have read little beyond your book, and possibly a little of super/system because they know you and Doyle? After reading this material, they see little merit in reading poker books and don't continue to do so? I just find it a little hard to believe that most top players would pass up the knowledge that can be gained. Why do you think that is? Doesn't this make the top players less likely to stay the top players as poker grows? What would a book need to contain for it to be a must read for these top players? How highly is Sklansky's work regarded amongst these top players in your opinion? Would you say that great players like his stuff more than good players? Less? About the same? Do you honestly feel that his stuff is the definitive work? Is his work lacking in any major areas? Lastly, what are your thoughts on the original post considering the author and his ironic niche in the elite poker world? Does the post help the reader more or the posters ego more? How does this apparent personality quirk relate to poker success? I don't mean to tick anyone off, nor am I trying to get you to say anything bad about the man. I am just trying to gain some insight from a player who battles in the biggest games against the best players as apposed to a player who often dodges the elite players because it's better for his bottom line. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong, I understand playing to win money vs playing because you are a true competitor. I'm just interested in your thoughts.
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#85
05-13-2007, 05:22 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
This might not be the place for it, but I was told long ago by a pretty reliable force that Chip reese, Doyle, Stu unger, and others basically played as a corporation. in that they didnt cheat but split profits, so basically anyone coming from the outside had little chance in the long run. Im just curious why the best players supposedly in the world would sit arounfd playing eachother night after night ?
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#86
05-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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This might not be the place for it [/ QUOTE ] Go with your feeling next time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Oh, and read The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King if you want to learn about the modern day corporation. Now back to this thread's regularly scheduled programming.
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#87
05-13-2007, 05:59 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
[ QUOTE ]
This might not be the place for it, but I was told long ago by a pretty reliable force that Chip reese, Doyle, Stu unger, and others basically played as a corporation. in that they didnt cheat but split profits, so basically anyone coming from the outside had little chance in the long run. Im just curious why the best players supposedly in the world would sit arounfd playing eachother night after night ? [/ QUOTE ] Stu Ungar?? you do know he has been dead for several years? Besides he was way to unstable to have been included in any part of a corporation. Now several of the top players have pooled thier money together to play headsup games againist a Texas billionaire Andy Beal and that has been called the corporation. Like you said though not sure why you posted that here. RZ
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#88
05-13-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
scientize,
There isn't much of anything in poker books that will help you beat high stakes games. There are books that will help you on your way to that road, by helping you at the beginning and intermediate level. I am the only poker book author who plays in and beats the high stakes games. (Doyle had collaborators.) Your post reminds me of when Michael Konik suggested that all of the players in Poker Superstars 2 had read The Theory of Poker by Sklansky. In actuality, half of the field were born in other countries and had probably never read a book in English. And to the person who thinks that there are teams in the biggest game, there aren't. Not all the players are as good as you might think. And it often depends on which games are played. Lately, I have decided to only play when we play at least 6 games. I don't want to fight the specialists, because my edge is too small or nonexistent playing other good players' best games. Barry
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#89
05-13-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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Lately, I have decided to only play when we play at least 6 games. I don't want to fight the specialists, because my edge is too small or nonexistent playing other good players' best games. Barry [/ QUOTE ] I have a man crush on you Barry, this is yet another reason why - you have a very good sense of self worth and ability - something I strive to achieve as a person as well as a player. bravo.
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#90
05-13-2007, 07:31 PM
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Re: Why Great Players Often Like My Stuff More Than Good Players
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[ QUOTE ] Lately, I have decided to only play when we play at least 6 games. I don't want to fight the specialists, because my edge is too small or nonexistent playing other good players' best games. Barry [/ QUOTE ] I have a man crush on you Barry, this is yet another reason why - you have a very good sense of self worth and ability - something I strive to achieve as a person as well as a player. bravo. [/ QUOTE ] ditto. well said.
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