3/6 A5s, Lots of Room for Debate

[Harv72b]

In fact, I'm about 100% certain that you can & will debate every single decision I made here. Lots of background info first:

Me: I've only been at the table for about 2 orbits. I have, however, shown everyone what a sneaky li'l bastage I can be when I raised a limper OTB w/AA, checked thru an A73r flop, called a bet closing the action on a brick turn, and bet a 7 river. I also had a hand where I bet a Jxx flop, checked thru a T turn, and raised a T river--my opponent folded to the raise, tho.
CO: Folds preflop, but affects the preflop decision. I haven't seen him before, but so far he's looked tight passive. He's coldcalled an EP raise by me with 99 & coldcalled from the SB in that AA hand with JJ (he's the one I wound up at showdown with).
Button: A known loose/passive, 30/6/1 over 500+. He'll bet his hands when he's got them & doesn't get too tricky. He also starts the hand with just under 3 BBs.
SB: An absolutely horrible LAG that I beat up on & eventually busted a little earlier in the night on a 6max table. He's perfectly capable of betting every street with a draw or any pair, and capable of reraising a HU pot with the same range (although he stopped doing that against me towards the end of the 6max session--we haven't tangled yet at this table). When I say "draw" I also mean ace high, though he'll usually raise preflop with that.
BB: A known tight/passive over a large sample.

Okay, reads are done--now have at it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: (4SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (3.5BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button folds.

River: (5.5BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.5BB

[StrictlyStrategy]

Don't call preflop.

I think everything else is hot.

[Allday Everyday]

I think you should have folded preflop. At most tables I would open-raise before I open-limp from this position in an 8 handed game.

I wonder about a flop raise trying to get HU with the LAG SB. I think calling is good too.

I think calling that turn and that river is good.

[Harv72b]

Let me try to be all Sklansky-like &amp; ask a question that I believe I already know the answer to: can any of you think of a reason why it might be good to openlimp this hand in this one particular instance?

I'm not saying that it is the right move, just that I had what I think is a pretty good rationale for doing so.

[Allday Everyday]

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Let me try to be all Sklansky-like &amp; ask a question that I believe I already know the answer to: can any of you think of a reason why it might be good to openlimp this hand in this one particular instance?

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Any reasoning I can think of almost immediately strikes me as flawed. When you say 'openlimp this hand in this one particular instance' do you mean openlimp A5s in this situation? or do you mean openlimp A5s in this situation this time? That is, is the reasoning highly dependant upon 'image' or 'metagame' of some sort?

[steakhouse]

I agree with Allday Everyday - this is a clear pf fold and it's not debatable.

[invictus33]

I probably drop this PF as well, I'd rather have a limper or two in ahead of me before I play this; and I'd rather not have a LAG behind me when open limping such a speculative hand.

With this board I like the rest of the hand.

[BigBadBabar]

i fold it too, but if you called let's do the playalong anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

if i were to play this, which i do sometimes, i'd come in for a raise.

[WalkAmongUs]

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if i were to play this, which i do sometimes, i'd come in for a raise.

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[Man of Means]

You have a tight/passive in the cutoff and another one in the BB. Button has 5 or 6 small bets, and plays 30% of his hands.

SB is your target and you are pretty sure he'll call if you raise. Is this a good opportunity to isolate or is the parlay too remote?