NL200 limped pot, HUGE action

[LifeTilt]

My simple questions:
1. Should I have r/r MP2 to find out where he's at?
2. As played: FOLD, CALL, or PUSH?

I would appreciate a concise reason for your choice.

READS (and metagame): SB is 21/9 over ~1000 hands and just took down two large garbage pots with 102s and A4o BOTH from the blinds. MP2 is 33/13 over ~5,000 hands, getting crushed over those 5,000, and just stacked off with TP2K to a set when OOP. Regular table, not tight, not loose. ~9pm EST.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $327.70
BB: $204.35
UTG: $87.20
UTG+1: $481.35
MP1: $211.70
MP2: $198.00
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $391.00</font>
BTN: $250.80

MP2 posts $2.00
Hero posts $2.00

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players)
3 folds, MP2 checks, Hero checks, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($8) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $38.00</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls $30.00, Hero???

[Sp00n]

Is that a post out of position!??!?

[Sp00n]

Instafold btw

[binions]

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My simple questions:
1. Should I have r/r MP2 to find out where he's at?
2. As played: FOLD, CALL, or PUSH?

I would appreciate a concise reason for your choice.

READS (and metagame): SB is 21/9 over ~1000 hands and just took down two large garbage pots with 102s and A4o BOTH from the blinds. MP2 is 33/13 over ~5,000 hands, getting crushed over those 5,000, and just stacked off with TP2K to a set when OOP. Regular table, not tight, not loose. ~9pm EST.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $327.70
BB: $204.35
UTG: $87.20
UTG+1: $481.35
MP1: $211.70
MP2: $198.00
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $391.00</font>
BTN: $250.80

MP2 posts $2.00
Hero posts $2.00

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players)
3 folds, MP2 checks, Hero checks, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($8) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $38.00</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls $30.00, Hero???

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Fold preflop (EDIT - if you posted in the CO, then that's fine). Answering your questions:

1. No, don't raise a calling station with a draw. Raise folding stations with draws. Your initial call was fine.

2. As played, fold and its not close. If you had KdTs, you could call. The reason its a fold is that you have 2 players expressing keen interest in a 3-flush, 2 straight draw flop in a pot that was unraised preflop, and you have only 1 nut out - Kd.

If someone has KdX, you are drawing slim. If someone already has a small flush, you are drawing slim. If someone has a set or 2 pair, you are facing a redraw situation, or being turned dead.

In holdem, we are looing to invest our money in positive expected value situations. This one is far too risky.

[Albert Moulton]

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2. As played: FOLD

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I don't even think this is close.

As played this fold is "easy peezy lemon squeezy," as my kids say.

You're drawing to a non-nut flush where you're straight outs are probably no good and somebody might have a flush already. Even if you hit your flush, anybody giving action probably has the Kd.

So, as played, easy fold.

[Albert Moulton]

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My simple questions:
1. Should I have r/r MP2 to find out where he's at?
2. As played: FOLD, CALL, or PUSH?

I would appreciate a concise reason for your choice.

READS (and metagame): SB is 21/9 over ~1000 hands and just took down two large garbage pots with 102s and A4o BOTH from the blinds. MP2 is 33/13 over ~5,000 hands, getting crushed over those 5,000, and just stacked off with TP2K to a set when OOP. Regular table, not tight, not loose. ~9pm EST.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $327.70
BB: $204.35
UTG: $87.20
UTG+1: $481.35
MP1: $211.70
MP2: $198.00
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $391.00</font>
BTN: $250.80

MP2 posts $2.00
Hero posts $2.00

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players)
3 folds, MP2 checks, Hero checks, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($8) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $38.00</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls $30.00, Hero???

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Fold preflop (EDIT - if you posted in the CO, then that's fine). Answering your questions:

1. No, don't raise a calling station with a draw. Raise folding stations with draws. Your initial call was fine.

2. As played, fold and its not close. If you had KdTs, you could call. The reason its a fold is that you have 2 players expressing keen interest in a 3-flush, 2 straight draw flop in a pot that was unraised preflop, and you have only 1 nut out - Kd.

If someone has KdX, you are drawing slim. If someone already has a small flush, you are drawing slim. If someone has a set or 2 pair, you are facing a redraw situation, or being turned dead.

In holdem, we are looing to invest our money in positive expected value situations. This one is far too risky.

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Actually, everything binion's said is right on. nh.

[nation]

I would have folded on the flop. As played, fold to the raise because you might not have a live diamond, probably up against a flush, so your straight draw is likely not live either.