Parenting tip for vegans: please feed the baby vital macronutrients

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it can be healthy, but its not the "most" healthy

a balanced diet including meat, other animal products is the most healthy for nearly everyone


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while that may be true, the average vegan is healthier than the average nonvegan

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"I eat meat, but I believe that a vegan diet is the most healthy way to live life. Some of the strongest animals on earth are vegiterians."

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The kid died of malnutrition period. From things I've read, fruits and vegitables contain all of the nutrients your body needs.

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No, they don't.



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Yes, they do. The only nutrient that a vegan diet lacks is vitamin B12, but we don't need to injest it in food because it is produced by bacteria in our intestine.

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First, to be clear, I'm quoting from a book. I don't know much beyond what books and the internet tells me.

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A sodium lining? You've GOT to be kidding me. Sodium is an ion.

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Then what is serosal sodium? The serosa is the outter lining of your stomach, so why do so many medical journals use the phrase serosal sodium? The same for mucosal sodium.

I couldn't find any docs that gave me all of the information I was looking for but I did find this:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../175/4027/1261

The title is: Activities of Sodium and Potassium Ions in Epithelial Cells of Small Intestine

The Epithelial cells produce a coating that protects the mucosa. The tile of that article says that there are Sodium ions in the epithelial cells.

Regarding ulcers, from what I could find, they are caused when your body can't protect your stomach from digesting itself.

Wether it be too much acid, not enough blood supply to your stomach, or if the helicobacter pylori bacteria causes impairment of your bodys defences.


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It diffuses rapidly through all parts of your body. It can't form any kind of protective coating.

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Yeah, you're right, and I never thought to even care until now. I wouldn't say that Stanley Burroughs is wrong in saying what he did because he is correct to an extent.

Maybe it would be more accurate to say:
The epithelial cells secrete a coating that protects the mucosa.
The secretion bonds to meat in your stomach the same way as it would to the mucosa. ? Or something like that...

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My point is simply that you can raise a healthly baby on a vegan diet.
The side point is that you can be more healthy by not eating meat.

However, I think we can all agree that the parents mentioned are idiots, vegan or not.

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My point is simply that you can raise a healthly baby on a vegan diet.
The side point is that you can be more healthy by not eating meat.

However, I think we can all agree that the parents mentioned are idiots, vegan or not.

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i disagree with your main point, and strongly with your side point. it seems like your views are based on propaganda and bad science. maybe you'd benefit from a little actual scientific reading about the digestive system? since you seem to enjoy meat, it seems strange that you would trust someone trying to sell you something else when they tell you it's bad for you...

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My point is simply that you can raise a healthly baby on a vegan diet.
The side point is that you can be more healthy by not eating meat.

However, I think we can all agree that the parents mentioned are idiots, vegan or not.

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i disagree with your main point,

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3000 years ago, did mothers raise their infants on anything other than breast milk? I'm not a doctor, but I would be amazed if breast milk didn't contain ALL of the nutrients an infant needed.

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and strongly with your side point.

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A967948260

"Meat-eating societies, such as the United States, tend to have higher levels of cholesterol in their blood, and higher rates of coronary heart disease, than societies where people depend more heavily on plant foods."

Then it goes on:
"American vegetarians have been shown to have lower cholesterol levels and blood pressure than their meat-eating counterparts. And Italian researchers have shown that substituting soy protein for animal protein in the diets of people with high cholesterol levels can lower these levels even more than is possible with a prudent lowfat, low-cholesterol diet."

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My point is simply that you can raise a healthly baby on a vegan diet.
The side point is that you can be more healthy by not eating meat.

However, I think we can all agree that the parents mentioned are idiots, vegan or not.

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i disagree with your main point,

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3000 years ago, did mothers raise their infants on anything other than breast milk? I'm not a doctor, but I would be amazed if breast milk didn't contain ALL of the nutrients an infant needed.

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and strongly with your side point.

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A967948260

"Meat-eating societies, such as the United States, tend to have higher levels of cholesterol in their blood, and higher rates of coronary heart disease, than societies where people depend more heavily on plant foods."

Then it goes on:
"American vegetarians have been shown to have lower cholesterol levels and blood pressure than their meat-eating counterparts. And Italian researchers have shown that substituting soy protein for animal protein in the diets of people with high cholesterol levels can lower these levels even more than is possible with a prudent lowfat, low-cholesterol diet."

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how many of the mothers do you think were vegan 3000 years ago?

do you honestly think a comparison between vegetarians in this country to ALL others in this country supports your argument? you don't think there is a selection bias here? you don't think a group that has made ANY restrictive dietary choice will likely be healthier than the group as a whole?

i'm not advocating the general us diet. i just think to say the complete exclusion of meat makes a diet healthier is ignorant, and to say that this is completely supported by science is delusional.

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My point is simply that you can raise a healthly baby on a vegan diet.
The side point is that you can be more healthy by not eating meat.

However, I think we can all agree that the parents mentioned are idiots, vegan or not.

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i disagree with your main point,

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3000 years ago, did mothers raise their infants on anything other than breast milk? I'm not a doctor, but I would be amazed if breast milk didn't contain ALL of the nutrients an infant needed.

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and strongly with your side point.

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A967948260

"Meat-eating societies, such as the United States, tend to have higher levels of cholesterol in their blood, and higher rates of coronary heart disease, than societies where people depend more heavily on plant foods."

Then it goes on:
"American vegetarians have been shown to have lower cholesterol levels and blood pressure than their meat-eating counterparts. And Italian researchers have shown that substituting soy protein for animal protein in the diets of people with high cholesterol levels can lower these levels even more than is possible with a prudent lowfat, low-cholesterol diet."

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Jesus, you really prove that fish is food for the brain.



comparing the typical US diet with any other one in teh world is retarded. Americans dont eat healthy, not because they eat meat, but beacause they eat crap, I dont understand how you can not see that correlation. I am probably about 1000 times more in shape and healthy than any vegan could achieve, and I eat tons of meat, but I eat the right kinds of food.

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fwiw, comparing any subset of americans who think about what they eat to average americans is going to make the subset look great every time. it's much more worthhwhile comparison to compare american vegetarians to other ppl who think about what they eat, yet aren't vegetarian.