10NL (9Max): JJ, OESD. Huge pot

[Jay.Yang]

UTG is 40/15 over 118 hands...
MP2 is 51/3 over 157 hands...

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MP1 ($11.45)
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($11.40)</font>
MP3 ($8.95)
CO ($5.15)
Button ($4.70)
SB ($7.60)
BB ($25.60)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($8.25)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 ($5.50)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $0.40, MP3 calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.
Flop: ($2.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $5.1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $9</font>, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero ?

[Javanewt]

Looking at it like this, I want to say fold. However, I'd probably call then hate myself when I lose to KJ or a set. (Or a flush, which I'm ahead of now, but which comes and, of course, hits my straight or set.) I think you are probably behind and drawing to fewer outs than you hope.

I'd fold.

[Crossy]

Agreed - tough fold but a fold. even if you hit your set, half the time its going to put a 3rd diamond on the board as well as make a straight extra likely. And if you make a straight by a 8 or K, someone else probably has a better one.

[kyzerjose]

Super easy fold against a raise and reraise.
You're drawing to a chopped pot at best. Even though you're getting 2.35:1, I seriously doubt your hand is good the 35% or so of the time you need, to make the call EV neutral.

[Mazzinger]

Raise/ re-raise are never good. Fold.

[effang]

bet more on the flop?

[Jay.Yang]

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bet more on the flop?

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is betting more on the Flop gonna make the outcome different?


also, should I not c-bet in this dangerous Flop into 2 players? is it better to c/c since we have OESD as well?

[JazzyZ]

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bet more on the flop?

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is betting more on the Flop gonna make the outcome different?

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Doesnt matter if it would change the outcome in this particular hand, but betting more will give you more information about the strength of villains hands, and it will win the pot right here more often. Why did you choose to bet almost as little as half the pot on a dangerous flop into 4 opponents OOP? I probably wouldnt bet here at all. Anyway, after raise and re-raise I would instafold.

[Ampelmann]

Grunch.

I fold. Your J outs may not be worth anything if someone has a K (or KJ for that matter). 2 of your straight outs are tainted and if you're against a set that costs you quite a bit of equity. Imo you need considerably better odds than 2.4:1 for a call here.

If UTG1 calls as well (which is likely), you're looking at 2.8:1, which looks better, but in this case you migth as well be against both a set and a flush draw or a K and a flush draw.

Edit: Rebuy before the hand. Bet a bit more on the flop.