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Old 05-10-2007, 10:35 AM
Mingdu Mingdu is offline
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Default extract the most against two others

Early in a 45 player $5.5 SnG on Stars

Too early for reads as of yet

Comments on all streets if you like ... should I have folded to the flop betting or was it a good play to call?

Can I get more from them or should I bet this because I have two in with me?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t3035)
MP1 (t630)
MP2 (t1165)
CO (t1410)
Hero (t1490)
SB (t1360)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t30, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t150</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t150, CO folds, Hero calls t150.

Turn: (t600) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t300</font>, UTG+1 calls t300, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:05 AM
ThePershore ThePershore is offline
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

You have ~ 1,000 left, so a 600 raise is pretty pointless, just calling lets flush / 2 pair / trips in for cheap, someone has at least a Queen here, I prob just shove the turn.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

PF: fold
Flop: as this is pretty much the flop you hoped for, call is fine (implied odds are good)
Turn: I probably just shove, after calling the 300 there is already 1500 in the pot and you have only 1000 left. You also don't want to give a free card to a potential flush draw.

(Just started playing MTTs so my opinion might not be the standard play)
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

You are pushing 1000 at a 1500 pot, so probably just push. There is probably a flush draw there that won't pay you off on the river unless it hits.

As the other poster implied, there is a good chance they are not on straight draws or have one pair. A flush draw has 9 outs, a set 10 outs, and a 2-pair 4 outs.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:16 AM
Mingdu Mingdu is offline
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

I pushed and they folded ... one said "9-10 eh"

Yeah ... I have to protect against the flush draw

thanks
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:41 AM
ThePershore ThePershore is offline
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

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I pushed and they folded ... one said "9-10 eh"

Yeah ... I have to protect against the flush draw

thanks

[/ QUOTE ]

If you were deeper stacked, with something like 4,000 behind then you can raise to say 900, or a little less, but with your stack push is best.

nh.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:51 AM
BarryLyndon BarryLyndon is offline
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

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PF: fold
Flop: as this is pretty much the flop you hoped for, call is fine (implied odds are good)
Turn: I probably just shove, after calling the 300 there is already 1500 in the pot and you have only 1000 left. You also don't want to give a free card to a potential flush draw.

(Just started playing MTTs so my opinion might not be the standard play)

[/ QUOTE ]

I really wish that people would stop chiming in "fold" when someone limps with 109 on the button or KQs in mid position when the blinds are still at level 1.

Yes, raising all in is the proper play here. If you call, you're going to wreak of suspicion anyway + give free cards for flushes and/or higher straights. I see no advantage whatsoever to smooth calling here; it's a great example of how raising AI is a must.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:52 AM
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

Agree. PF is absolutely standard.
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Old 05-10-2007, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

Push.
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:14 PM
All_In_Olly All_In_Olly is offline
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Default Re: extract the most against two others

Pre flop is fine.
On the flop, not sure I'd call against two given you only have 6 safe outs.
Turn easy push.
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