borgata 50k w/QQ at level 5

hammer33 · #1 05-10-2007, 10:32 AM

Starting stacks is 5k..I have 13k. Blinds are 200/400/25.
UTG+1 a rock to this point(20k), opens up for 1500.
UTG+2 a calling station(15K) calls.
I'm in MP with QdQc and smooth call. CO (new to table) w/9K pops it to 5k (more than half his stack).

-UTG+1 calls as does UTG+2...Hero? Fold, Call or Shove trying to isolate against CO?

-Assume Hero calls and all four go to the flop.
Flop comes 10s 8s 4s..And both UTG1,2 check to me.
Hero?

betgo · #2 05-10-2007, 10:52 AM

Reraise initially. You don't want to flat call two players.

Push when it comes back to you. You may have the best hand, and atleast you almost have odds to hit your set.

Your flat call of the reraise is awful. Of course, push the flop.

hammer33 · #3 05-10-2007, 11:22 AM

If I recall, it was about 3,500 to call into 18K preflop..I had the clock called on me. I didnt want to shove preflop because I really couldnt put CO on anything but AA KK..I know his chips are getting in on the flop but I thought one of the other two could also make a stop n go type play meaning I may have implied odds in playing for set value...Folding wasnt an option..

Why is this logic that faulty?

Fred Allen · #4 05-10-2007, 11:39 AM

I agree, I hate the smooth call, need to protect the Q's--> re-raise.

Shove the flop if any callers.

ThePershore · #5 05-10-2007, 11:52 AM

I'd re raise the first raise.

After that either shove or fold pre flop, if folding "wasn't an option" then just shove pre flop, shoving is way better than seeing a 4 handed flop.

PS. If you think CO has KK+ then why is folding not an option?

"Pot odds for set value"? You gonna call pre flop then fold if you miss your Q? No. So just shove.

Bond18 · #6 05-10-2007, 11:57 AM

I likely reraaise the origional raise to like 5000. As played i think you gotta jam pre. I can't really comment post, its just a position i'd never be in.

hammer33 · #7 05-10-2007, 11:59 AM

Didnt shove because I didnt think I had FE..CO will certainly call my shove, and I could see one of the UTG's calling as well as the pot is huge at this point..

I want to see the flop here even tho I put the CO on a monster..I can get away from the hand post flop as I still will have an 8k stack left, with an M of around 10..Plenty of play still left..And I was getting 6:1 to see the flop with mad implied odds..