Playing scared? KK with lots of pf action

AmonRaa · #1 05-09-2007, 06:47 PM

I dont fold KK pf often (which is understandable since mostly I play Nl25) but there are occasions where laydown is good.
Are these 2 hands an example of that?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($40)
MP1 ($43.45)
MP2 ($49)
MP3 ($28.60)
Hero ($52.55)
Button ($23.75)
SB ($32.65)
BB ($37.15)
UTG ($31.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BB raises to $10.5, UTG raises to $32.05 (All-In), Hero folds

Allways nice to see mini raise UTG. When I raise, BB reraises and he goes all in, I had a feeling i'm no good here.

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CO ($49.25)
Button ($44)
SB ($50.35)
Hero ($49)
UTG ($42.05)
MP ($39.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, Button raises to $4, Hero raises to $8.5, Button raises to $48 (All-In), Hero folds.

You'll ask why I miniraised him back. Imo it served 2 purposes: worse hands will call it and AA wont be able to resist and will just shove it in there.

I must admit that in first case i was certain i was beat, in second one not so much. Even though my min raise was designed to bring aces out it sure as hell is hard to fold kings.

Flame away.

KurtSF · #2 05-09-2007, 06:53 PM

Raise more. Especially in hand 2, your $8.5 bet is asking to be pushed off your hand.

I would call both. Make a note if UTG in hand 1 minraised AA.

Better Than U · #3 05-09-2007, 07:39 PM

I don't mind either fold but I doubt you'll get alot of people that agree here.

bottomset · #4 05-09-2007, 07:45 PM

its nl50 people do retarded stuff all the time at that level

Better Than U · #5 05-09-2007, 07:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
its nl50 people do retarded stuff all the time at that level

[/ QUOTE ]TRUE...2 YEARS AGO.

pterodactyl_ · #6 05-09-2007, 07:55 PM

I think the first fold is fine (though your original RR should be larger, as was already mentioned). I would never fold KK at a short handed table in a button vs. BB battle. I think hand 2 is wayyyyy too nitty. If hes got AA its a cooler but youll see plenty of worse hands at this level.

bottomset · #7 05-09-2007, 08:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
its nl50 people do retarded stuff all the time at that level

[/ QUOTE ]TRUE...2 YEARS AGO.

[/ QUOTE ]

true today, yesterday and almost certaintly tomorrow

I played some nl50 FR on FT clearing a bonus, the games are supersuper soft

from today

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $38.95
BB: $50.00
UTG: $37.30
Hero (UTG+1): $50.25
MP1: $50.50
MP2: $70.70
MP3: $37.65
CO: $62.60
BTN: $65.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.75, MP3 raises to $3, 4 folds, Hero raises to $13, MP2 folds, MP3 raises all-in to $37.65, Hero calls $24.65

Flop: ($77.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Turn: ($77.80) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($77.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $77.80 ($3 Rake)

MP3 had 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Nines) and LOST (-$37.65)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Queens) and WON (+$37.15)