Ideal Full Ring PT #'s

[MyTurn2Raise]

14/7 screams bot now IMO

[jhill3535]

I generally prefer to play a little more passively preflop, it may not be for everyone, but I don't feel the need to 3-bet everytime I get AK on the button, or QQ-JJ in the blinds, and I limp behind a few players with a very wide range in LP, and god forbid I open limp occassionally (even on the button)!

[Jurrr]

The problem with nitting up your PFR% is that you have to be able to get away from your overpair/TPTK hands well as setmining against you is very profitable if you don't.

If however your PFR% is 13% then people will play back at you enough with lesser hands that felting good overpairs is profitable.

That is my speculation though.

[bottomset]

wide PFR range = strict setmining is -EV(you won't put enough in when they hit sets)

if they get creative in addition to playing for sets, it may not be -EV

the thing is the tight passive guys aren't creative and give up way to easy

[Theo_Brixton]

jhill - I think not 3 betting those spots is likely a leak. You're allowing weaker hands to see a flop against u in position. I would be 3 betting there, a bit over pot size.

Like others said also, if your PFR is low and your went to showdown % is low, you're going to get abused by the craftier players. Having a wider range exponentially confuses your HUDbot opponents, and makes the non-hudders think you're playing a lot looser than u actually are.

[D.L.M.]

Its funny that everyone has somthing different to say. I think a tag is about 14-18, 5-12,. basically they should be raising a fair share of their hands.

[Renton]

vpip/pfr between 13/9 and 20/15

attempt to steal blinds of at least 30% preferably 40%

went to showdown of 18-28% the better you are at hand reading the higher the number.

won money at showdown of around 50%, basically a useless stat though.

cold call of <1% unless you really love to fk with people postflop, then it can be a little higher.

ptbb/100 of 2.5-5.5 is realistic for a decent player.

position stats:

vpip in first three positions of 8-12%, vpip in latish positions of 20-30%, sb vpip is debatable as ive seen winners with 20% and winners with 40%, it really just depends on how much you screw up after the flop.

all positions other than blinds should be winning, blinds will be losers but hopefully not worse than -0.2ptbb/hand.

[Better Than U]

Article by Renton

[raistlinx]

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Article by Renton

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Wow I actually remember reading this months ago before I came back to NL LOL

Renton, is there anything you would update or add to that now?

[checkmate36]

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Something like 14/7 is nitty but very easy to pull off and I think profitable.


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NL bots on FTP link from the zoo. I found the 14/7 number interesting and thought I'd share it here in case you missed it.