ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Bellagibro]

ZJ is such a scumbag. I checked my PT and found that I've played with 2 of his aliases in MTT. I'm willing to pay an extra $640 buy in for the mil guaranteed to kick him in the nutz.

[suzzer99]

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It was my understanding that Party concluded somehow that the accounts were being used on the same computer. If they have some fancy way of figuring this out, then the need to shut it down before it happens.

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Well it all comes down to what "IP/system" means I guess. Is a 'system' a computer? What page is ZJ's response on? Maybe there was something more specific in the email to him.

[DVaut1]

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Wait until your good friend comes to you with something unethical, but less than murder. See if you immediately race off to the nearest authority to turn him in.

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I fully admit it would be very difficult to do that.

And I admit that I didn't suspect this was very widespread (and perhaps it's not). Even if people who are friendly with ZJ didn't want to turn him into Party (for reasons I understand), I (and probably others) would have appreciated it if the respected posters who DID know this is going on posted in the MTT forum something like "FYI, multi-accounting is real and some of the best players are utilizing it", or something similar to that. Maybe they did that and I missed it.

Perhaps I'm naive for not knowing. But it's:

1) disconcerting I didn't realize this was widespread among players I very much respected (like ZJ)
2) disconcerting that some people seemed to know cheating was occuring at the highest level but were hesistant to admit it

Again, I concede my ethical compass may be way off here. But I'd have like to have known cheating was occuring with some level of high frequency (apparently), and feel it's unethical for those who were aware it was going on not to alert others because they wanted to protect their (cheating) friends. I'm sure it's infinitely more complicated then how I've laid it out here, too. Like I said, perhaps I'm crazy.

[Zinzan]

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Why is it extreme? If you go to a B&M casino and they catch you cheating, you don't get to cash out your chips. In fact, you'd probably be going to jail.

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Yes, but if I have chips/cash in the casino safe deposit box, I don't think they can withhold that from me.

-Z

[derosnec]

Everyone does realize that the money that Party confiscated is your money, right? If I entered those tourneys that ZJ won, Party now owns my money.

[ELGCC]

My thoughts may be a bit biased since ZeeJustin and I get along well and I consider him a friend. I may also be biased because a while ago I had about 10k taken from me by William Hill because they claimed I was colluding. The $ loss hurt back then but I was more pissed off that I could not get them to tell me anything about why they thought I was colluding. They kept promising to have someone contact me in more detail about the issue but never did. I have had my account open there for only 2 weeks and almost all of my play was heads up. I've never cheated and didn't know anyone on the site. My $ ended up going directly to the pockets of WH.

I don’t think taking 100k of funds, which were earned through legit play, from ZJ’s account is a fair decision. One reason is that party will not be able to punish any of the other hundred or so players the same way. I’m sure those players cashed out as soon as they heard about the JJprodogy situation. It even seems that playing the tourneys this way has become more or less of a norm among the guys that consider themselves to be pro online tourney players. You wont read much from these players on message boards for the obvious reasons. Even though still I don’t agree with the taking away of the $, I can swallow some of the arguments for it. Party absolutely has to make sure that in some way goes back to the players. If they say they will invest it into some new anti-fraud team, they are realistically just saving $ as with all the money party generates, there is no excuse not to have this team/project in the first place (if it is needed).

I think most of you are being over the top mean to Zeejustin about the situation and not seeing the bigger picture. In a way, ZJ just found a weakness in the software and used it to his advantage. That is the characteristic of a cheat but is also one of an opportunist. I think about half the players on this forum would cheat (for example sit at the same table with 2 account names) if they were sure they were going to get away with it.

I AM happy that party took steps to prevent this abuse even though it doesn't apply to me since I profit only from cash games. However, I think the biggest issue here is that party poker has not done anything about this in the past. Of course they KNEW that many players used multiple accounts to play from the same IP address but they decided NOT to do anything about it until word got out (hey, it’s extra $ with every buy in for party after all).

This to me clearly means that party is more interested in their own revenue rather than in the fairness of its games. Of course once the JJProdogy story got out, people made a fuss about this issue. Some of these players planned on boycotting party's big online tourneys and only THEN did party block zeejustin's account (and is likely to block and seize the funds of many other players soon). I wouldn’t be surprised if party currently knows maybe about a hundred other players that have violated the rules or cheated in a similar way, but since these players probably cashed out most of their funds already, party won’t go after them and will choose to, instead to keep them as paying customers

You guys can rest assured that party will NOT go after the players who get rakeback even though it’s against their policy. However, keep in mind that the ONLY reason they won't be doing it is because it’s a move that would hurt party’s profits.

[NanaAnna]

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I am sure he will be back at it, as well as JJ, but I am not sure they will attempt to cheat in this way again... atleast we hope not

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No, but they will cheat..Once a cheat always a cheat. It's the mentality that many seem to think just vanishes with time, it doesn't.

[The DaveR]

ZJ,

I think this can be made into a kickass book deal a la this.

PM me if you're interested. I know the agent who hooked up Mr. Blair!

[NoahSD]

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just to set the record straight i changed his title. I don't think it's wrong in the least, it's meant to be funny, and it is funny. Anyone that disagrees doesn't really have a sense of humor imo.

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It's wrong. You are a moderator.

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ZJ probably doesn't think it's very funny, and I think he's been punished enough by losing something like $100k and his reputation.

[derosnec]

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I think about half the players on this forum would cheat (for example sit at the same table with 2 account names) if they were sure they were going to get away with it.

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Screw you and your mother.