1 serious hand, want opinions, not sure where i messed up, but i did

[dougee19]

Full Tilt Poker Game #2383234884: Table Humour (6 max) - $5/$10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 23:08:35 ET - 2007/05/08
Seat 1: svenneskumpa ($530.50)
Seat 2: Gholp ($240.50)
Seat 3: cane3418 ($4,545.75)
Seat 4: hammerdown06 ($975.50)
Seat 5: michaeld18 ($487)
Seat 6: Rollover2k ($1,027)
cane3418 posts the small blind of $5
hammerdown06 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michaeld18 [Kh Ks 4s 4h]
michaeld18: easy peasy
michaeld18 raises to $20
Rollover2k calls $20
svenneskumpa folds
Gholp folds
michaeld18: min raise all the way
cane3418 calls $15
hammerdown06 calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Js 4d 8s]
cane3418 checks
hammerdown06 checks
michaeld18 bets $80
michaeld18:
michaeld18: easy
Rollover2k folds
cane3418 calls $80
hammerdown06 folds
*** TURN *** [Js 4d 8s] [6s]
cane3418 checks
michaeld18 checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 4d 8s 6s] [8c]
cane3418 checks
michaeld18 bets $240
cane3418 has 15 seconds left to act
cane3418 calls $240
*** SHOW DOWN ***
michaeld18 shows [Kh Ks 4s 4h] (a full house, Fours full of Eights)
cane3418 shows [4c 5h 7s 8d] (a full house, Eights full of Fours)
cane3418 wins the pot ($717) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $720 | Rake $3
Board: [Js 4d 8s 6s 8c]
Seat 1: svenneskumpa didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Gholp (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: cane3418 (small blind) showed [4c 5h 7s 8d] and won ($717) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
Seat 4: hammerdown06 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: michaeld18 showed [Kh Ks 4s 4h] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Eights
Seat 6: Rollover2k folded on the Flop




the reason why i bet is because i have a rep on the table already, basically betting with **** and get called down a lot even though i always have a hand.... i havent showed many which helped my table image of wreckless when im actually only playing decent hands...
bad bet on river??, i know the whole the only hand calling you is beating you is here but being totally honest, one of the players would have called me with a str8 in the hand, not to mind the flush....
should have bet the turn???

proper omaha players please analyse this hand and let me know where i went wrong, the player in question has been relatively tight but has made a few interesting calls since i arrived, i was considered a chaotic player who bets pot a lot,
only been there for around 30 mins



also being taunting players which could easily have encouraged a call


edit: he obviously didnt buy into the chaotic persona as he flat calls the river instead of putting my whole stack in.... or he might just be cautious when unsure





plus 1 messing hand(bragging hand) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
closest ive ever come to [censored] myself while playing online [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] hehehe


Full Tilt Poker Game #2383388238: Table Humour (6 max) - $5/$10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 23:27:04 ET - 2007/05/08
Seat 1: svenneskumpa ($321)
Seat 2: THEDRILLER1 ($1,583)
Seat 3: cane3418 ($5,084.25)
Seat 4: hammerdown06 ($852.75)
Seat 5: michaeld18 ($1,212)
Seat 6: Rollover2k ($1,060)
michaeld18 posts the small blind of $5
Rollover2k posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michaeld18 [6h 5h Qc Qh]
svenneskumpa folds
THEDRILLER1 folds
cane3418 folds
hammerdown06 folds
michaeld18 calls $5
Rollover2k raises to $30
michaeld18 calls $20
*** FLOP *** [4c 8d 3d]
michaeld18 checks
Rollover2k bets $60
michaeld18 calls $60
*** TURN *** [4c 8d 3d] [8c]
michaeld18 checks
Rollover2k bets $110
michaeld18 raises to $270
Rollover2k has 15 seconds left to act
Rollover2k raises to $430
michaeld18 raises to $1,122, and is all in
Rollover2k: alright so u do have it.
Rollover2k folds
Uncalled bet of $692 returned to michaeld18
michaeld18 shows [6h 5h Qc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
michaeld18 wins the pot ($1,037)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,040 | Rake $3
Board: [4c 8d 3d 8c]
Seat 1: svenneskumpa didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: THEDRILLER1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: cane3418 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: hammerdown06 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: michaeld18 (small blind) collected ($1,037)
Seat 6: Rollover2k (big blind) folded on the Turn

[iggymcfly]

First hand's fine. Just bad luck that you ran into a bigger boat.

[dougee19]

you think i should have checked behind?
or bet the flush on the turn?

[iggymcfly]

[ QUOTE ]
you think i should have checked behind?
or bet the flush on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

No.

[wazz]

[ QUOTE ]
you think i should have checked behind?
or bet the flush on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

I very rarely check behind the river with a full house.

Yes.

[iggymcfly]

Oops. Didn't realize you actually hit the flush on the turn. Thought you still just had a set there. Yeah, you should definitely be betting in that spot.

[RagnarPirate]

definitely bet the turn...were you slow-playing 2nd nut flush?....i hope not...if not, what were you hoping to hit on the turn? quads?....i hope not

river..i actually would have checked behind against a good player...what is a good player going to call with that you can beat? and if he re-popped you all in are you going to call that?...i hope not....if you had a specific read on this opponent that they are such a weak passive calling station that they would check the nut flush on the turn and call a paired board on the river with a flush (or str8 or set), then bet away, but i don't think you had that read.

[lfairban]

On the first, I would have called pf, and yes, you should have potted the turn. A set of fours is almost useless, but then you were heads up by the turn and hit the second nut flush. If he re-pots, fold when your stack is deep. If he folds, be happy.

The second, I would have raised pf, but then my Qs have been hitting more than the law of probability allows.

The push with the overpair on a double 2 flush board was guttsy, but it worked.