Flop situation

[Nytecaster]

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I went ahead with a peel. I figure that I've got 4 gutshot outs, about 1 backdoor flush out, and probably a solid 4 overcard outs. Even though my position is somewhat bad with two players behind me, it's not too bad because I don't expect to get raised often by those players. 5:1 with potential loose-passive callers behind me and 9ish outs and it's worth taking a peek at the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero...

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Hero should bet, you are likely best. Re-evaluate based on the raiser if there is one. As for the river, I'd probably just check it with so many passive players in the hand.

[Fantam]

I would bet/fold the turn.

Your read on your opponents is that they are generally passive, so presumably you would only be raised by someone with a 7.

It wasnt the turn card that you called the flop for, but you might have the best hand. If so, you dont want to give a free card to overcards, and I think that the pot is probably offering enough to justify a bet.

[Aaron_]

Raising the flop normally isn't buying you a free river, and against a LAG SB you may not get it anyway. If the pot were large, the raise is easy, but I don't think it is here.

I think you may have overvalued your two overs on the flop -- that 8 is tainted, and both are somewhat vulnerable to redraws. You may be good to call here if you are certain it's not getting raised, but I tend to fold when the pot is small and the decision is close.

On the turn, I think you're likely to peel off a free one if you check.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

raising flop buys us fold equity.

[Aaron_]

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raising flop buys us fold equity.

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How much equity does it buy against two loose players who have yet to act? We're not fighting over a big pot; we're trying to get a cheap card.

[MrWookie]

Fold equity against 3 people in a tiny pot? Not worth it. I'd just fold the flop, honestly

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

triple barrel fold equity ftw!

[DakotaKid]

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triple barrel fold equity ftw!

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I've tried this. It never seems to work. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Douglas Leslie]

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Raising the flop normally isn't buying you a free river, and against a LAG SB you may not get it anyway. If the pot were large, the raise is easy, but I don't think it is here.

I think you may have overvalued your two overs on the flop -- that 8 is tainted, and both are somewhat vulnerable to redraws. You may be good to call here if you are certain it's not getting raised, but I tend to fold when the pot is small and the decision is close.

On the turn, I think you're likely to peel off a free one if you check.

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I agree with your comments about the pre-flop play but, given that we chose to stay in the hand, should we not be betting the turn here? Checking allows a free card to possible overcards for our opponents and also gives the player behind us the chance to bet the turn which could mean anything from a straight to a total bluff. A bet by him gives us a difficult decision which might be avoided if we bet now and he folds. Does top pair not have sufficient pot equity here to put a BB into the pot?

[Aaron_]

For some reason I thought we were still drawing to a straight. I guess you do have to protect and bet out, probably folding to a raise depending on the odds back to us.