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Old 05-08-2007, 04:47 AM
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Default 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

<font color="blue"> villain in this hand is a pretty solid multitabling regular TAG, and most likely one of you guys. CrazyTltD if you recognize him from stars 6 max games.
He runs ~19/15 over lots and lots of sessions. I havent seen him open trash from UTG, ad i suspect his range there is prety tight. generally plays abc poker postflop.
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Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $142.60
UTG+1: $106.35
CO: $50.15
HERO: $222.45
SB: $95.40
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, HERO calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $10</font>, HERO calls.
<font color="blue"> anybody play flop any differnt? </font>

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $50</font>, UTG calls.
<font color="blue"> hows my raise?
what is villains range for calling this raise? </font>

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($131.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, HERO???
<font color="blue"> son of a b....
terrible river card.
i think villains hand is very well defined at this point, agree? at first glance it looks like a super easy "curse, then give up and check behind"

but then i started to think about what my hand actually looked like...
...and what villain could call a push with??? he has ~$80 left
so do you give up on the river, or push?

comments on all streets appreciated
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:03 AM
lostnorcalkid lostnorcalkid is offline
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

Well I don't really know the SOP on here, but to me it seems like everything hit on either the turn or river, so unless you think you can push him off a straight or a low flush why bet?
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

check behind. he isnt calling you with anything beside the flush which he might have or a set.
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

i think you guys may have missed the point of my post. my river dillema is NOT the fact that he will only calla push with better hands... thats super obvious
(JJ-AA) all beat me now, in case you missed the river pairing the 3).

think about what villains most likely hands are here, based on the way the action went.
and what does my hand look like?
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:26 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

Well I don't know how this guy views your play... Personally I would raise on the flop to charge the flush draw more, possibly scare out the straight draw and if I get re raised I can be pretty sure he has an over pair based on his UTG raise preflop... That being said no I would not bet this river because I probably put him on a high flush or something that would have a decent chance of calling me in a low skill game like .50/1.00
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

vil=AK-AJs, maybe JJ-99.

you-it looks like your not chasing the flush. maybe 10x or even a set yourself. If im the vil im putting you on 10x-10 9. I call turn because i have non nut flush, if i have a set im pushing you all in on turn.
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

he could probably fold two jacks or queens if you push
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:31 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

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he could probably fold two jacks or queens if you push

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KLJ-
how about KK/AA?
what just calls my turn rasie and thn checks the river?
villains range after checking river?
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:33 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

i think trying to bluff people off two pair is a bad idea, in general.
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Old 05-08-2007, 05:38 AM
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Default Re: 9Ts turns top 2 vs regular - ugly river. Bluff now???

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i think trying to bluff people off two pair is a bad idea, in general.

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agreed

buuuuuut...
froms villains perspective, isnt what i actually have like the bottom of my range?
is a solid player calling a river push on a paired board that also faced a turn raise when a flsuh card hit, with just a pair?
or do you think stacks are too shallow for this, and he doesnt have enough left to fold?
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