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Old 05-06-2007, 06:40 AM
Baracus Baracus is offline
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Default Re: THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY QUESTION

Raise >> Fold >> Call.

Yeah, coldcalling is terrible. What's the thoughts behind this? To take a flop for 12-15bb and checkfold it 2/3s? Raise it. Raise it. Raise it.
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:42 AM
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I played around with poker stove and calculated that if he is three betting with 6%+ of his hands a shove becomes profitable assuming he calls with QQ+/AK
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:42 AM
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Default Re: THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY QUESTION

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raise to how much

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Old 05-06-2007, 06:51 AM
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Your standard 4-bet size.
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:59 AM
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Your standard 4-bet size.


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my standard 4bet size is really small

i assume im calling a push then?
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Old 05-06-2007, 07:15 AM
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Yes, it would be a horrible waste to 4-bet AKs and fold to a shove. Stuff like that is better done with Axo.
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:47 AM
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so whats the consesus, just shove?
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY QUESTION

Shove or fold, never call. What you do is dependent of the players.

With aggro players stick it in. If the openraiser is fairly tight (this means CO isnt just isolating a loose raiser), and the 3-bettor likewise, muck it faster than hell.
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:57 AM
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raise > fold > call for the reasons stated above
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:05 AM
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so whats the consesus, just shove?

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you keep asking how much you should raise, yet you've never told us the size of the initial raise or the size of the reraise. shoving is obviously a lot more reasonable if it's been 80 -> 280 than if it was 60 -> 180
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