50 NL: Test Your Handreading Skills

[ButItWasSuited]

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you shouldnt be in that situation w/ JJ because you should have raised the flop.

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Why?

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but JJ is a call, you beat a flush/AQ

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So you think he's leading for 120 bb's without a boat after all the strength I've shown?

[mrw8419]

Umm I have the effective second nuts I doubt he got there with KK, if he has AA then good for him. AJ is very hard for him to have since I have two jacks. I only have to call 38 into about 116 I don't fold boats in big pots getting those kind of odds.

[ZingyDNA]

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you shouldnt be in that situation w/ JJ because you should have raised the flop.

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Why?



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Why not?

[PJo336]

JJ at 50NL= call cmon, if he made his boat why didnt he push turn while you were showing all this strength? Villian seems to be getting too much credit in this discussion

[ButItWasSuited]

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The strongest play you've made was the 3-bet preflop. Floating the flop and betting the turn when checked to aren't necessarily strong plays.

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Ok, lets back up then. Why do you think he leads for 120 bb's?
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JJ at 50NL= call cmon, if he made his boat why didnt he push turn while you were showing all this strength?

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I think you are on to something here. Perhaps he doesn't have a boat on the turn?

[thac]

I think villain's range preflop is pretty wide (LDO) and he likes to mix it up with you so I would say any pair, any suited ace, any ace with broadway kicker, and probably Kxs down to K9.

He leads into you on the flop (aggression factors would help), so he hit some part of that - we've narrowed his range to 77, JJ, AA (very rarely indeed), A2s+, ATo+, and K9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]+.

When he checks the turn, he's either gonna raise or call, but I don't think he folds here ever. I think that since he just called, we can rule out AA and A2s+ (to like A9s), and still keep the rest of his range intact, although I would normally raise here with any ace that hasn't boated up yet because you can be re-popping me light with KQ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or something that still has outs to hit, but villain likes to slowplay, so blah. So basically, if villain were me, his range here is 77, JJ, A7s, AJs and AJo (he has K9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]+ as well) but like I said, that's just me.

When he shoves the river like that, he is hoping and praying you hit your flush with your KQ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or an ace that didn't boat up. I think I've narrowed his range here down to 77, JJ, AJs, AJo and AK (if he slowplayed it on the turn, like he has the tendency to do). K9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]+ drops out of his range since the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] comes.

I think I put him on 77 here the most, followed by AJ (suited or not), then JJ, then AK (bluffs are somewhere in there, probably after JJ, it'd be nice to know a bit about his bluffing frequency at this point). I also know that 38/24 semi-tards like to bluff scare cards so I think this may be a call, especially if he is the type to slowplay his trip aces that didn't boat up (A2s+ and ATo+).

JJ plays better than AQ here, we're still losing to AJ (although it's far less likely since it'd be case J) and AK, but now we beat 77 and the random clubs that the 38/24 semi-tards call reraises with (QJ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]).

I think I call with JJ, and it's borderline with AQ.

[Dunkman]

I also agree that you need to be raising the flop with JJ. Why? Because if he doesn't have an A then the hand is over anyway. If he does you need to build a pot so that 1) you can get it AI eventually and 2) a scare card may come on the turn that kills your action. If you don't understand why this flop is a raise with JJ then you probably don't need to be doing one of these indulgent threads where you educate us about how to play.

[PJo336]

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JJ at 50NL= call cmon, if he made his boat why didnt he push turn while you were showing all this strength?

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I think you are on to something here. Perhaps he doesn't have a boat on the turn?

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this could be correct, and in fact take out AJ slightly of the question...AK explains preflop passively, as well as the flop bet. However, why would he check the turn with TRIPS even with that board. Turn brings up 2 flush draws (i belive im not lookin at it right now) and gives him the "nut" trips without a boat. I rule out AK IMO aswell, it again makes it look like a total donk move falling into a flush, or a 77/JJ combo clever enough to try a trap.
However, you mentioned he slowplayed alot. SO why lead OOP on the flop flopping a set? merry-go-round of contradictions here, and Id prob have to play him, but I dont get the lead with a set. You let him cbet to at least ensure some flop profit. AQ maybe donking the river?

[PJo336]

However, based on the fact its party poker, i vote 10 10

[PJo336]

Define his slow playing? Flop or turn slow play on this hand?