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#11
02-23-2006, 11:20 PM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
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[ QUOTE ] To me it depends entirely on whether he can lay down AK in this spot [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty much what I'm wondering. I think people call this a lot. [/ QUOTE ] i don't. i don't think AK is going to call here enough of the time to make this a profitable play. i make this play occasionally at 3-6 and it never works...the only hand that ever calls me here is AA. this play might work more at 200nl than 400nl, because i think the calling range against you is going to be wider. even at 200nl i don't think ak is a reasonable expectation to call you, though. 
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#12
02-23-2006, 11:37 PM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
anything that involves 2 bet pushing pf with full stacks and no reads = bad IMO.
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#14
02-23-2006, 11:54 PM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
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it's ironic that during this thread button 3-bet an EP raiser ai with ak and got called by ak. 2-4NL 6max full tilt. 80bb stacks. you're idea is now more logical, xorbie. [/ QUOTE ] I would be amazed if reads weren't involved.
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#15
02-24-2006, 12:03 AM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
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[ QUOTE ] it's ironic that during this thread button 3-bet an EP raiser ai with ak and got called by ak. 2-4NL 6max full tilt. 80bb stacks. you're idea is now more logical, xorbie. [/ QUOTE ] I would be amazed if reads weren't involved. [/ QUOTE ] i'd be amazed if they were given the texture of this table.
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#17
02-24-2006, 02:29 AM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
Honestly, sure why not. It's just one hand and it's worth a shot. If he folds, so what. They will remember your huge push and probably pin you down as a moron. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Plus, this works fantastic if you pick up QQ-AA the very next hand and he raises again. :-o
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#19
02-24-2006, 02:33 AM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
no one lays down AK here. Hell, I've seen this get called with KQ.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx SB ($1005.52) BB ($549.80) UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ ($376) MP ($1106.09) TWP ($398) Button ($30) Preflop: TWP is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2. <font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, TWP calls $398 (All-In), <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ calls $368 (All-In), MP folds. Flop: ($788) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Turn: ($788) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: ($788) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $788 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Lucky Jackass has Qs Ks (straight, king high). TWP has Jd Jc (three of a kind, jacks). Outcome: Lucky Jackass wins $760. TWP wins $22. </font>
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#20
02-24-2006, 02:59 AM
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Re: KK: How\'s this look?
TWP, too bad you always lose these hands, you could be a winning player!
Calling ranges REALLY vary here from player to player. Some fold QQ/AK, some call with 88 or something as dumb as KQ apparently (thats REALLY extreme, obviously). I don't know what the most likely average calling range would be on Party. When I get called by TT/JJ on pushes, its generally when they donk-reraise me and get married to their hand when I jam, fully expecting me to have AK. I don't jam in this kind of spot very often, but I 3-bet jam a lot in spots that many people on here would prefer to "let the weaker pairs tag along".
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