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Old 04-30-2007, 10:28 PM
Finnisher Finnisher is offline
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Default $16: 88 overpair bvb early

2nd hand, unknown villain.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1400)
SB (t1600)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t60</font>, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t160) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t120</font>, Hero calls t120

River: (t400) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

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Old 04-30-2007, 10:38 PM
Elvex Elvex is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

It's a pretty weak play, notice he relaxes his bet each street... I'm not sure why you never raised.
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:50 PM
abarber abarber is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

This seems pretty standard, but because of how weak the pair is, a raise on the flop might be appropriate. I use this line a lot, though.
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Old 05-01-2007, 06:26 AM
bFunk bFunk is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

I have to say I am really shocked at the passive play. Knowing that finnisher is a winning player with a really good ROI, I find myself questioning what I "know" about playing SNGs.
How is this not a raise preflop? Raise to 80.
How is this not a raise on the flop or turn? It just seems like you're asking to be drawn out on.
I'm baffled by this line. Am I playing mid pocket pairs too aggressively in early stages? I just don't see how a check is the correct play against an open limper from the small blind.
I don't understand any of the actions at any of the stages (except for the river call). The only thing I can think of is the idea that you don't want to risk your chips in marginal situations early in the tournament. But this doesn't seem to be marginal. The whole line feels really weak.
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Old 05-01-2007, 06:40 AM
EscapePlan9 EscapePlan9 is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

Flop is okay if you think SB will continue betting with a worse hand and you'll call down, like you did.
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

normally, I raise t80 preflop and make it t180 on the flop
I would raise to t300 on the turn
call river as played..
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Old 05-01-2007, 09:42 AM
Luisgallo Luisgallo is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

I don't dislike it but I prefere raising the turn.
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

I like generally, but I would probably raise flop. I tend to bet/raise over pairs.
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:40 AM
Pudge714 Pudge714 is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

I raise preflop.
I might raise flop.
Turn and river are standard.
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:57 AM
StregaChess StregaChess is offline
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Default Re: $16: 88 overpair bvb early

Raise preflop, On the flop I’ve got to raise against this board. He’s leading out on the flop so he’s still confident, a scare card of J+ could easily fit into his range. I’ll echo what someone else mentioned about you being a winning player, I’m just not understanding the logic of “why” you picked this line. Would love to hear your thoughts….
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