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Old 05-01-2007, 10:29 AM
WinstonWolfe WinstonWolfe is offline
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Default FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

Take it away; tell me everything I did wrong. Specifically, here are four questions:

1. Pre-flop ok?

2. How do I handle the micro-bet on the flop? I see villains do this relatively frequently, where they minimum-bet into a large pot. I never know whether it represents strength, and this is their strange way of value betting, or whether it represents total weakness. Do I come over the top here?

3. What do I do on turn?

4. What do I do on river? (His river bet sets me all in.)


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7650
Hero: t6600
MP1: t4995
MP2: t14320
MP3: t7385
CO: t14360
Button: t6525
SB: t2655
BB: t1835

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t600</font>, 2 folds, MP3 calls t600 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t900)</font>, 2 folds, SB calls t500 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1500)</font>, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2000, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets t200</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2200)</font>.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2400, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets t1200</font>, Hero calls t1200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3600)</font>.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t4800, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets t4800</font>, Hero?
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:15 PM
blockafor blockafor is offline
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Default Re: FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

A preflop raise w/66 from EP is not great because you're building a pot with a difficult hand to play out of position post flop. A limp is better.

I wouldn't come over the top of his flop bet. It gets called or re-raised too often. It becomes a tougher call without the 6d in your hand. Due to stack sizes you should fold because if the 6d hits it's very hard to get away from your set, and he won't get it in with less than a flush, which leads to...

The turn: If you bet, you're committing yourself to the pot, but I think you have to bet here.

You're priced in to call the river due to the frequency that hero could be making a bluff or a "value" shove with a weaker hand.
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Re: FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

Bet turn, Call river. I probably lead river also.
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:35 PM
Xanthro Xanthro is offline
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Default Re: FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

Fold or limp pre-flop, 66 is very hard to play post flop OOP unless you hit.

The flop is really bad for you, because you don't have the 6d, this means if your hand improves it's 50% that three diamonds are on the board. It's one of those hands that you when you improve, the other person improves even more.

Reads are very very important, because his bets do nothing to prevent the diamond draw. Is it because he doesn't know how to play, or because he is on the diamond draw.

By calling the turn, you're almost obligated to call the river. The river didn't likley help him. It could be he has the A without a mid kicker and was betting scared, or slow played a monster. I wouldn't be shocked to see AdTd or something here, but I'd call the river if the other streets played out this way.
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Old 05-01-2007, 02:34 PM
b-komplex b-komplex is offline
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Default Re: FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

1) preflop fine
2) this usually is weakness but sometimes it is meant to induce a bluff. It would take major stones to shove here with third pair. Calling to see what happens next is fine.
3) get it all in
4) see #3. As played call.

You nailed a set 30 BB deep, gg if he had the flush but you are not gonna fold here.
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Old 05-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Lambofbob Lambofbob is offline
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Default Re: FT $10; set on turn; how badly did I play this?

As far as the pf raise, for me it depends on the table dynamics,raising if its been weak and limping if its been tougher.
For the rest of the action, it really does depend on reads and his skill level. On an average for a $10 tourney, on the flop, with two checks ahead of him, I can see him betting A10+ for the min to try to keep someone around, or middle pair to get info. To me, his turn bet feels like self defense. He min bets, then bets half the pot, maybe with an A and one diamond, or maybe with middle pair bluffing the diamond. On the turn I'm torn between leading out and check raising, and you could argue either way. Either way, I'd say all in on the turn or river. Definitely call the river as you are committed as stated above. You're playing for first, and you've got a set in a situation where it doesn't seem like he's playing a flush.
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