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Old 04-29-2007, 12:22 PM
Flatlanman3 Flatlanman3 is offline
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

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i call this without much thought if i got to the river this way. is that a leak?

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imho yes

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I dont see how the Ace changes things that much, but this all depends on his P/F range. The only hands that he could have made on the river against you are AJ, A9 , or Ax DimesSo, this leaves a bluff of some sort of missed straight or flush draw , or a made hand on the flop. Of course the hand would have been much easier to read if you bet on the flop and then read a lead on the turn from him , etc. But as played, I dont think u can call. The player probably gives you credit for a pretty big hand, and I dont think most people use this Ace as a bluff card more often then they would use the flush or straight card as one. Pitch it
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Old 04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

ike said it
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Old 04-29-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

jesus. i am definitely coming to vegas this summer.
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

You showed a 5 before when you 3bet to $800. I think that's some important information. The villian could be thinking that you have a trash hand again for a small pair or a draw. On top of that you've totally misrepresented your hand.

If villian has made some moves before or makes thin bets, I would call it down.
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:31 PM
EmpireMaker2 EmpireMaker2 is offline
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

Checking the flop is fine sometimes
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:21 PM
Dale Dough Dale Dough is offline
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Default Re: bellagio 25-50: FPS leads to bad spot

Why can't he have something strong here? Whiffed c/r on the flop, bet turn, bet river because he has no reason to believe you will do it for him?

Yes, he COULD be bluffing. But just because you have a bluff catcher and someone takes a line that could conceivably be a bluff, doesn't mean you have to call every [censored] time, as seems to be the fad of the day. That's just too easy to exploit.

In a vacuum, if you look at your own range, KK is probably a call here, because you have to call (or raise) about 50 % to prevent being exploitable.

However, given that he bet into two players a round earlier, he probably doesn't have enough bluffing hands here. He can't be bluffing too often on the turn, because the other guy could have been sandbagging, and a flop check is not that uncommon in your spot.
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