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Old 04-30-2007, 10:17 AM
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Every week there's a thread where half the responses didn't like the episode.

The Sopranos has had many "unnecessary" story lines. The Russian in The Pines Barrens episode went nowhere. Nothing much ever came of the sporting goods store guy, etc....

The only reason these episodes are getting sub-par reviews, IMO, is that we know the show is about to end, and are looking for something big to develope. Vito's kid crapping in the shower, the sudden gambling problem, or whatever probably aren't integral to how the series will end, but so what...

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actually the problem is that too many big things are developing. anthony jr. proposed to a girl who we've barely seen, and got rejected for reasons we don't know (but surely can guess at). tony's gambling is getting out of control and it looks like his life is falling apart - he's realized he doesn't have any friends in a more vivid way than he has in the past. i am not wanting something big to happen - nor am i expecting a grand resolution, but it sure seems headed that way.

it is interesting to note that the end of each episode this season seems to suggest tony losing touch with yet another person (except episode 2, whose ending I forget).
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:25 AM
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Episode 2 was Tony and Chris.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:01 AM
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The idea of a Sopranos episode as 'weak' just doesn't really compute for me. It's like saying that Chapter 19 of Great Expectations sucked. Obviously some weeks you'll be more blown away than others, but it's not like when it is all over it will make a lot of sense to look back and say "I could have done without episode 81." Every episode has to be contextualised in terms of the ebb and flow of the whole series--a series that has a momentum of its own, covering an enormous amount of ground both thematically and action-wise. In a show like The Sopranos it's not always about 'plot developments,' or rather, the plot developments take a subtler form than, I don't know, a verbal threat, a beat down, car accident or whatever.

For the past few episodes things have really been brewing nicely for an interesting climax I think. Tony is slowly alienating himself from absolutely everyone, and seems to be only barely holding it together mentally. He doesn't seem at ease with himself or the people around him at all. The outbursts over the past couple of weeks at Pauly, Hesh and Carmella in particular have been disconcerting to say the least.

There's also the growing antagonism between Tony and Phil. More than just the hostile encounter at the shindig with Nancy Sinatra, Tony also went on a bit of a tirade against Phil in front of his captains... only two episodes after Phil said he would not eat [censored] anymore and that his brother's death would be avenged, no less. Daggers are drawn on both sides there.

The money stuff is not insignificant either. The idea developed this week that Tony is not as financially secure as it had seemed in the past adds to the level of instability in Tony's life at the moment. Apart from anything, while Tony was already somewhat pissed that Phil took the Vito situation into his own hands, in light of his current financial woes it looks like he has come to view Phil's actions as particularly provocative. Particularly given Phil's unwillingness to help out financially with the family (an expression of his newfound determination to not let himself be dictated to)...

Anyway, all that is just the tip of the iceberg. My point is that come the end of the series I'm sure that you'll be able to look back at this episode and see all sorts of pieces being put into place. You don't need to know where it is all heading to see that characters are being drawn out and given new motivations and that serious tensions are being developed. Not every episode can end in edge of your seat action, because for that action to be as engrossing as it is when it happens on The Sopronos the proper groundwork needs to have been laid. That anyone could watch the last few episodes and doubt that fertile soil has been put down for an engrossing final act is simply beyond me.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:07 AM
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I wasn't wild about this one. It felt like it was written by somebody who wasn't totally familiar with the characters. It's hard to point out specifics (beyond the rushing of the AJ subplot, but I assume that's the focus of next week) but I just wasn't really feeling it.

I did enjoying slightly badass and menacing Bobby when they were at Hesch's place.

Also, I do like the slow burn they're doing with the terrorist plot.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:10 AM
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michaelson -

good post, but the money troubles seem to be coming from nowhere - that's my problem, it's entirely contrived, tony has never been shown sports betting in any significant fashion. Also contrived was last week's asian character - and so seems to be the 'look for muslims' from the FBI, which cropped up again in this week's episode. the sopranos has always been very good about not being contrived, which is why i'm disappointed. it feels like a lot of storylines are being crammed together - which is a testament to just how good the series has been, that there will be so many unresolved issues when the show goes off the air.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:18 AM
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WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.

AND THE INNER CIRCLE draws tighter.

Each episode of this season has seen Tony driving a wedge between himself and a trusted ally -- first Bacala, then Chris, then Paulie and now Hesh, whose friendly $200,000 bridge loan last week turned ugly once Tony realized Hesh actually expected him to repay it.

We've had hints in recent episodes that Tony was gambling too much, but episode four, "Chasing It," has him in full-on Davey Scatino mode, losing big at every game he tries: horses, roulette, blackjack, football, everything short of jai alai or an Oscar pool.

Carmela finally sells the spec house (to cousin Brian, a sign the house wasn't a hot attraction) and Tony immediately wants to put a chunk of the profit on a Jets-Chargers game. When she refuses and Tony wins less than he otherwise might have, he explodes, laying hands on Carm for the first time since "Whitecaps" and dismissing her familiar fears about financial security by screaming, "When I'm gone, you can live in a (bleepin') dumpster for all I care!"

This is dangerous behavior by Tony, who has historically resisted most of the vices available to him. He doesn't use drugs like Chris or Ralphie, and he had nothing but contempt for Davey when Davey lost his business. Now he's paying a vig to Hesh? What's happening?

For the answer, you may have to look to the scene after Hesh rejects Tony's boat show invitation. Carlo, in Tony's doghouse for his failure to run the Family construction business as profitably as Vito, mentions an old "Twilight Zone" episode featuring a thug named Valentine. Tony cuts him off, but Carlo's apparently referring to "A Nice Place to Visit," an episode about Rocky Valentine, who dies during a robbery and wakes up in an afterlife where his every wish is granted. Every woman wants him, everybody thinks he's wonderful and every bet he makes is a winner. Eventually, Rocky grows so tired of what he assumes to be Heaven that he asks to go to "the other place," only to be told, "This is the other place."

Tony's existence isn't quite Rocky Valentine's, but it's close. He's been boss of North Jersey for nearly a decade, can do whatever he wants or order someone to do it for him -- and still he's not happy. So he's sabotaging himself, just to make something different happen.

He's looking for disaster around every corner, maybe even expecting it. He won't get The Star-Ledger from the driveway out of some paranoid fantasy, assumes all his confidants are out to get him and, after years of living slightly beyond his means, is simply throwing money away on gambling.

Several times, we see Tony win big, then immediately lose it all on another bet. Making up with Carmela after their fight, he notes that the odds on surviving Junior's gunshot were so lousy that, "If you look at it big picture-wise, I'm up. Way up." And he'll squander that advantage too if he can. He can't help himself, maybe doesn't even want, deep down, to enjoy his victories. He's trying to get to the other place, see if that's more satisfying.

Years ago, he described Davey Scatino as "the happy wanderer," envied how Davey could always have a smile on his face even when he was losing. Where Davey's default expression was a slightly bewildered grin, more and more, Tony is scowling. He's either killed or alienated all of his real friends, and even his relationship with Melfi is in danger. She's finally recognized that, with the panic attacks gone, he doesn't view this as therapy so much as "an oasis in my week," and she won't stand for that.

As Tony tries to see if misery will make him happier, other characters suffer without even working at it. Hesh's younger girlfriend Renata dies unexpectedly in her sleep -- which ironically saves Hesh's life, since Tony takes pity on him and pays off the debt. Vito's widow Marie tries to get 100 grand from Tony to move troubled son Vito Jr. -- who, like A.J., gets expelled from school for relieving himself in something other than a toilet -- to a new home in Maine, but Tony blows the money on another football bet and instead forces Marie to send Vito Jr. to a boot camp. (Tony doesn't care about Marie's concerns about corporal punishment, so long as the price tag is smaller.)

I should make some mention of the cameo appearances by Bing customers Muhammed and Ahmed. For a long time, I've been dismissing their presence, and Agent Harris' attempts to turn Chris or Tony into anti-terrorism deputies, as one final tease by David Chase, something to spin the audience's wheels without taking them anywhere. But the fact that the show keeps coming back to them -- this time, Tony is uncomfortable seeing them in the presence of so many Arab-American men in more traditional dress, rather than just as two lowlifes who frequent the Bing -- makes me wonder if I'm underthinking this.

A key theme of this season has been the unintended consequences of seemingly minor events. Who even remembered that Tony dropped a gun in the snow when he was running from Johnny Sack's house, let alone imagined that he'd be arrested for it? Who still cared about the money Carm stole out of the duck feed, or the HUD scam that cousin Brian gave to Tony and Ralphie?

I'm not expecting The Russian to come back (even though Tony's still laundering money through Russian mob boss Slava) or Melfi's rapist. But, as Chris so aptly put it while discussing Vito's death, actions these characters take are "Like a pebble in a lake. Even the fish feel it." If Tony's going to have a downfall brought on by external forces, maybe it'll be a ripple from obscure characters like Muhammed and Ahmed, or this truck-hijacking deal with the Cubans from Miami, or, hell, the HMO hustle Tony tried way back in the pilot.

All I knows is that it feels like the giant piano Carmela talked about isn't just hanging over Tony's head, but everyone's. There may not be a lot of carnage (outside of Renata's peaceful passing, this was a completely bloodless hour), but doom is coming.

Some other thoughts on "Chasing It":

A question that's come up several times in e-mails and chats: Is Blanca pregnant? It would explain both her moodiness at the "Cleaver" premiere and those odd looks she kept flashing at the news that cousin Brian is having a baby. But if so, why would she give back the engagement ring? If there is a baby, maybe it isn't A.J.'s?

Is it just me, or is Bacala a changed man since the Canadian hit in the premiere? For the first time, he seems like an unapologetic tough guy, particularly when he encouraged Tony to ignore the debt to Hesh.

The more screen time Marie gets, the more distracting it is that she's played by Lorraine Bracco's sister.

In one scene, Sil is gluing together a busted lamp in the Satriale's office, and a few minutes later we see why, when Tony trashes the Bing office after losing a big football bet. When you work for Tony, furniture repair is a mandatory skill.

So Frank Sinatra Jr. played in the Executive Game against Davey, and now Nancy Sinatra serenades Phil at his coronation dinner (with, appropriately, "Bossman"). Is it too late for a Tina cameo?

Due to outside circumstances, next week's Sopranos Rewind may not get done in time for the Monday print edition, online, or both. If that's the case, we'll put a notation in both the paper and the Sopranos blog (blog.nj.com/alltv/) explaining exactly when and where you'll be able to find it. Sorry for the potential inconvenience, but as Nancy's old man said, that's life.

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at asepinwall@starledger.com, or by writing him at 1 Star-Ledger Plaza, Newark, N.J. 07102-1200.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:21 AM
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I assume the money to pay off the debt came from Carm's house sale?
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:27 AM
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I dunno, tony's drinks heavily, uses coke, has shown him gambling every season, none of it was out of control, and ya, maybe they didnt show a progression, but the "foundation" was there.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:35 AM
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I assume the money to pay off the debt came from Carm's house sale?

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nope.

also, I think its safe to assume that the family had nothing to do w/Heche's broad.
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Old 04-30-2007, 11:37 AM
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michaelson -

good post, but the money troubles seem to be coming from nowhere - that's my problem, it's entirely contrived, tony has never been shown sports betting in any significant fashion. Also contrived was last week's asian character - and so seems to be the 'look for muslims' from the FBI, which cropped up again in this week's episode. the sopranos has always been very good about not being contrived, which is why i'm disappointed. it feels like a lot of storylines are being crammed together - which is a testament to just how good the series has been, that there will be so many unresolved issues when the show goes off the air.

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I don't really think Tony's gambling is contrived. Tony is off the hook at the moment. He thinks the guy he put all his faith in has it in for him, he contemplated killing a captain last week with very little provocation at all, he went absolutely ballistic at Carmella this week like I don't think we've ever seen him do before (even if you could say that that was a result of the gambling...). My point is, Tony has not been himself this season. The walls have seen to have been closing in on him, and in some way or on some level he seems aware of that sense of foreboding. There's a distinct sense at the moment, I feel, that Tony is basically unsatisfied with his life and pretty much depressed. Within that context I think his gambling problem can be made sense of.

I'm not sure how you mean the asian kid from last week was contrived either. I found him believable enough, personally, but I also interpretted that story arc as being about Junior's experiences in the nuthouse rather than a story about a kid with anger issues. Basically it documented the decline of Junior Soprano: a once prominent member of the Soprano family, former central character of the series, and blood relative to Tony in a show all about family. The picture of his complete isolation also resonated as a parallel to Tony's inreasing level of alieantion. From my perspective it was all perfectly appropriate.
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