10NL (9Max): QQ facing 4-bet all-in PF

Jay.Yang · #1 04-30-2007, 04:56 AM

Villain is 15/6.4 over 320 hands. He seems like a standard TAG

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($10.40)
BB ($6)
UTG ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($10.75)
MP1 ($23)
MP2 ($20.25)
MP3 ($6.75)
CO ($18.10)
Button ($11.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Button raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.55, 1 fold, MP1 folds, Button raises to $11.95, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $13.70

Standard?

BlueBear · #2 04-30-2007, 05:17 AM

Fold, you're up against AA and KK nearly everytime here (maybe AK rarely).

fxrenegade · #3 04-30-2007, 05:44 AM

well, as Phil Gordon says, 4-bet usually means AA.

futuredoc85 · #4 04-30-2007, 06:10 AM

phil gordon is wrong like 85% of the time but this is a fold.

chriz300 · #5 04-30-2007, 07:35 AM

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well, as Phil Gordon says, 4-bet usually means AA.

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but not at microlimits.

but the fold was OK

lemming · #6 04-30-2007, 08:23 AM

Fold is fine... Even if I have seen people 4-betting 33 or 77, I really don't mind a fold... Especially not against a standard solid TAG.

Jay.Yang · #7 04-30-2007, 07:22 PM

But say you have hold KK instead of QQ. Everything else stays the same, do you call?

raistlinx · #8 04-30-2007, 09:18 PM

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well, as Phil Gordon says, 4-bet usually means AA.

[/ QUOTE ]It's the 4th raise, not a 4-bet that Phil Gordon talks about. But yes this was a fold.

FearNoArt · #9 04-30-2007, 10:10 PM

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But say you have hold KK instead of QQ. Everything else stays the same, do you call?

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Unless you have a read that villain is an uber nit, like 5/2/1, you get it all in PF with KK if you can, you'd be amazed at some of the hands guys will push or call all in's with, and i'm talking $100 tables , so at $10 TABLES , i don't think I ever fold KK pf. . Here is a good thread discussing KK running into AA .

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post9959599