NL 50 JJ villian 4bets all-in

[0evg0]

stop making your 3bets so stupidly big, ducy

[Lego05]

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stop making your 3bets so stupidly big, ducy

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I don't see how that is so "stupidly big". It's 4 times his bet. 8 or 7 is standard for me here.

And if ducy is a screen name it's not me.

[Bowlboy]

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stop making your 3bets so stupidly big, ducy

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Any reason why you've been so harsh towards a lot of posters recently? I'm sure you are more than capable of offering some solid constructive advice though pretty much everything I've seen you post appears to be more like 75% ego massage and maybe 25% constructive intent.

[Suaimhnea]

Yeah if I were to pull out Stove (why can't you just do that and find out whether or not your money is good here?)... it'd be QQ+, AKs.

It's a pretty easy fold.

[MusashiStyle]

raising to 7 is good, i just started doing that with jj 3-bets. also depends on position and reads obv.

[KEW]

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I disagree. I think someone's more likely to shove AK and call with AA,KK and try to extract after the flop. No?

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I agree with this...

[catfish_01]

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I disagree. I think someone's more likely to shove AK and call with AA,KK and try to extract after the flop. No?

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I agree with this...

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I agree with that too. Or at the very least, AA or KK would probably four-bet non AI. I do wonder, though, would QQ also call/extract?

Because of the tendency of AK to make this play, and the fact that it's easier to be dealt AK than the other pocket pairs that beat you combined, and there's nothing in your read on the villian that would make me believe he firmly believes you'd easily stack off preflop, I'd call this, wincing at the variance, and note if he did shove versus me with AA, KK, or QQ.

However, if he four-bet that wasn't an AI, I would probably just fold jacks here. I've been felting queens vs. tighties' who four bet (either preflop or on the flop) and it has been AA/KK enough to make me vow to not do it again versus the average TAG. Certainly wouldn't want to get Jacks into that kind of situation.

[MusashiStyle]

i dunno, i fourbet aa all the time in this spot.

[rakes.a.beach]

i'd fold

[catfish_01]

Do you four-bet AI?