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so something I just realized which is kind of funny, is that as my Pippin-peek on night 2 I peeked Herbie (who was Sauron- KM had peeked VR). So the night I got lynched had I voted for Fmx or Mark it would have been a flip since my vote counted for 2.
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#2402
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That looks about right. If I ran this game, I would've given Gandalf double-vote instead of seering, and I think that would still be village balanced (though less so, obviously). And yes, good wolves can level, but really, mouth of sauron is worth less than a normal wolf (and it's not close). [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the Mouth of Sauron was (intentionally) worth less than a normal wolf. Otherwise, Gandalf/Aragorn/Frodo/Sam had consistent roles across the trilogy (as did Sauron, with minor variations, and the Witch-King), and there was no reason to change that. |
#2403
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Theoden can say "I am Theoden."
I think sighing underestimates this power huge. This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all). |
#2404
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Btw, most people who think it's easy to design one of these things in balance go and run one and then it ends on Day 4 in a blowout [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#2405
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durron's modifications:
original village: 36.5 wolf: 24.5 village tweaks: king theoden: -1 aragorn: -1.5 unmaking the ring: +.5 net: -2 wolf tweaks: oliphant rider: +1 stealing the ring: +2.5 mouth of sauron: +1 witch-king: +1 net: +4.5 village: 34.5 wolf: 30 so slight village edge. not huge like luckay originally said. most of the other possible changes favor the wolves, like: gandalf worth slightly less (no n0 peek) sauron worth slightly more stealing the ring worth slightly more so yeah. |
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[ QUOTE ] That looks about right. If I ran this game, I would've given Gandalf double-vote instead of seering, and I think that would still be village balanced (though less so, obviously). And yes, good wolves can level, but really, mouth of sauron is worth less than a normal wolf (and it's not close). [/ QUOTE ] Yes, the Mouth of Sauron was (intentionally) worth less than a normal wolf. Otherwise, Gandalf/Aragorn/Frodo/Sam had consistent roles across the trilogy (as did Sauron, with minor variations, and the Witch-King), and there was no reason to change that. [/ QUOTE ] Well, in all 3 games, make Gandalf double-vote instead of seer, and you have probably better games (though probably more wolf walks because village really sucked in this series). |
#2407
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Theoden can say "I am Theoden." I think sighing underestimates this power huge. This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all). [/ QUOTE ] Theoden dies if role-blocked. So that would give the wolves a free kill. I think lastchance underestimates the importance of reading the power list. |
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Durron, 4 or 5 points is like a wolf or a seer.
That's still a freaking lot. |
#2409
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[ QUOTE ] Theoden can say "I am Theoden." I think sighing underestimates this power huge. This game would also be better if no one knew what all the roles were (though I generally don't like this setup, but that's the only way having more power villagers than wolves works at all). [/ QUOTE ] Theoden dies if role-blocked. So that would give the wolves a free kill. I think lastchance underestimates the importance of reading the power list. [/ QUOTE ] Once the witch-king dies, a claimable role is pretty much worth the extra-kill. So yeah... I realize that. Even with that tweak, village is like a wolf/seer up. |
#2410
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Hopefully nobody's tweaking power lists here in the expectation that I'm reading them and taking notes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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