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04-27-2007, 07:43 PM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
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Looking at sngwiz I get: If openlimper is on 40+ the pusher has to be on 30+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 30+ the pusher has to be on 40+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 25+ the pusher has to be on 60+ for this to be +EV. This does not account for overcalls from the blinds I believ so it should be even more -EV. looks like a fold if sngwiz is calculating this correctly. [/ QUOTE ] This looks about right (~36% equity to call) but as AMT said it might be worth it to make a -EV move. Also we are 100% certain that the limper is calling the two AI's here, correct? If they are idiots then there is less value to getting these chips then if they play per ICM. You could start raping this table if they do. 
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#13
04-27-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
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Looking at sngwiz I get: If openlimper is on 40+ the pusher has to be on 30+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 30+ the pusher has to be on 40+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 25+ the pusher has to be on 60+ for this to be +EV. This does not account for overcalls from the blinds I believ so it should be even more -EV. looks like a fold if sngwiz is calculating this correctly. [/ QUOTE ] why doesnt it account for overcalls? anyways i tried to run it completely with overcalls and its around -.5% to -.8% at least for any reasonable ranges. if the pusher is a little loose it ends up being closer. like if he is pushing 17% its breakeven but if he is pushing 19% its +.4%. i know im not pushing 33 or A5o after a limper with 3bb here. how bad is he? id probably fold given this info
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#14
04-27-2007, 09:23 PM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
For some reason I am not getting an option to set overcall percentages for SB/BB don't know why, but I am using the latest version of SNGwiz.
What range are you using for the limper when you get +.4% for pusher on 19%?
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#15
04-27-2007, 09:27 PM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
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For some reason I am not getting an option to set overcall percentages for SB/BB don't know why, but I am using the latest version of SNGwiz. What range are you using for the limper when you get +.4% for pusher on 19%? [/ QUOTE ] its on the bottom u have to enable detailed view or something. i used 40% edit: nvm. it should just be there by default.
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#16
04-27-2007, 09:36 PM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
Showed up now that I manually entered the hand. I just copy/pasted the handhistory before.
Are you asssuming the limper will always call the push? I am getting -1% when I set ranges to 40% limper 19% pusher... Maybe I have some setting wrong?
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#17
04-28-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
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[ QUOTE ] Looking at sngwiz I get: If openlimper is on 40+ the pusher has to be on 30+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 30+ the pusher has to be on 40+ for this to be +EV. If openlimper is on 25+ the pusher has to be on 60+ for this to be +EV. This does not account for overcalls from the blinds I believ so it should be even more -EV. looks like a fold if sngwiz is calculating this correctly. [/ QUOTE ] This looks about right (~36% equity to call) but as AMT said it might be worth it to make a -EV move. Also we are 100% certain that the limper is calling the two AI's here, correct? If they are idiots then there is less value to getting these chips then if they play per ICM. You could start raping this table if they do. [/ QUOTE ] It wouldn't surprise me if the limper folded. On party a villain could do anything and it would make sense to me.
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