$109 Limp, shove, call?
 

***** Hand History for Game 5916334353 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $109 USD Buy-in Trny: 33130185 Level: 6 Blinds(300/600) - Friday, April 27, 14:56:31 ET 2007
Table Speed #1337472 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: nigit ( 1,740 )
Seat 5: NUTZBOT ( 3,320 )
Seat 7: beeline25 ( 2,380 )
Seat 2: Pudge_714 ( 1,880 )
Seat 8: Making_Moves ( 4,520 )
Seat 3: eidos37 ( 2,560 )
Seat 10: NIK_55 ( 3,600 )
Trny: 33130185 Level: 6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Pudge_714 [ Ad Tc ]
beeline25 folds
Making_Moves folds
NIK_55 calls [600]

nigit is all-In [1,740]
Pudge_714?

Limp is standard on party. Shove is also a widish range.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

I think it's a call. Unless one of them has an ace, you're not bad with both of them calling (if they do); even if one of them folds, you're not bad and see 66-99 a lot; if you're lucky, A9s or KQs. And if both call, you can see 99 and 77 a good chunk of the time, and you're happy with that.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

Grunch: Fold. You can't be ahead hear. Limper prolly has a weak pocket pair, shover prolly has a better ace, imo.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

id get it in here.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

call seems good.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

What do you mean by widish range? If that is top 30+ I am prettty sure this is a call. If its top 20-25 its probably a fold.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

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What do you mean by widish range? If that is top 30+ I am prettty sure this is a call. If its top 20-25 its probably a fold.

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I mean it isn't a nitty range. It's not like 88+ AT+. As for the actual range, I'm not sure.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

Your pretty far away from the money with 3bbs and a ton of dead money...id call

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

Looking at sngwiz I get:

If openlimper is on 40+ the pusher has to be on 30+ for this to be +EV.
If openlimper is on 30+ the pusher has to be on 40+ for this to be +EV.
If openlimper is on 25+ the pusher has to be on 60+ for this to be +EV.
This does not account for overcalls from the blinds I believ so it should be even more -EV.

looks like a fold if sngwiz is calculating this correctly.

Re: $109 Limp, shove, call?
 

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Looking at sngwiz I get:

If openlimper is on 40+ the pusher has to be on 30+ for this to be +EV.
If openlimper is on 30+ the pusher has to be on 40+ for this to be +EV.
If openlimper is on 25+ the pusher has to be on 60+ for this to be +EV.
This does not account for overcalls from the blinds I believ so it should be even more -EV.

looks like a fold if sngwiz is calculating this correctly.

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valid but sngwiz doesnt account for future stack and bubble implications given the fact that its 6 handed at 300/600 and you have no mobniez...and its on party so ranges are probably a lot wider than people are accounting for.