got called a donk for this play...thanks for stacking off to me.

[CTKid]

2nd hand I think you're better off getting it all in on the turn. I really doubt he checks top pair on the flop when he's pf raiser and has two opponents who have checked to him. So he rarely has top pair only. Could have KJ, but very unlikely since you have two J's. However, he could easily have AT/KT here, and might talk himself into a call with outs to the nuts if you push turn. If he has QT well you still have 8 outs.

However, once the ten comes off on the river you *have to* check to him. I'd try and guess, but would prolly fold to a bet much of the time.

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P.S. I doubt he's even folding JQ or QK on the river. $75 pot for $47.50 more. Your push just looks weird.

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I think really good and really bad players snap call the river. Weak tight players might find a fold with QJ and maybe KQ (though either calling a 3-bet pre-flop is very suspect).

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However, he could easily have AT/KT here, and might talk himself into a call with outs to the nuts if you push turn.

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Unlikely. If you get called you're almost always beat imo.

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Unlikely. If you get called you're almost always beat imo.

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I agree that you are certainly well behind when called. but there are a lot of draws + pairs that might call too which you are beating.

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Unlikely. If you get called you're almost always beat imo.

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I agree that you are certainly well behind when called. but there are a lot of draws + pairs that might call too which you are beating.

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Not quite enough to make it profitable I don't think.

[ijustliketoplay]

hate the turn push for all the reasons mentioned. c/c is the only line here given the action.

did you think about 4 betting flop?

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Unlikely. If you get called you're almost always beat imo.

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I agree that you are certainly well behind when called. but there are a lot of draws + pairs that might call too which you are beating.

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Not quite enough to make it profitable I don't think.

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Well remember that you win a 3 way reraised pot + his turn bet when he folds. So unless you are completely crushed when called, which is not likely (its prob like 68/32 or so), the bet will show a profit. It may or may not be more profitable than calling and checking to him on the river, but I thinks its def +ev.

[AbreuTime]

Raise pf. Seriously, it often will make decisions easier for you (which is not the only reason to raise). You often have the best hand. If you are trapping with JJ, do you ever raise your big pairs? Limp re-raising UTG with JJ is a questionable play without a good read, in my opinion. Do you fold to a push/reraise?

In general, playing passively pf is not as +EV as aggression, and you shouldnt rely solely on postflop skills to make up for pf weaknesses. Don't take this as a rip on you, but as a suggestion for improving your game. Aggression is even more important as you move up. There is a very good post on pf aggression, but I dont remember the auther.

Edit: 6 Max fundamentals