Common Newb Hand Review

Myke · #1 04-26-2007, 10:45 AM

All the how to imporve methodologies seem to share the same point. "Review and post past hands". Well since I moved up to 100NL, I have found it considerably tougher. If I could get some advice on the hand below. Turn action is in drastic need of improvement on the first.
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($70.55)
MP1 ($48)
Hero ($124.10)
CO ($117.35)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($96)
BB ($24.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.5, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($11) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $9.5, CO calls $9.50, BB folds.

Turn: ($30) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $111.1 (All-In), CO calls $104.35 (All-In).

River: ($245.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $245.45

Second Hand of the Day:
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($106.15)
BB ($100)
UTG ($98.50)
UTG+1 ($100.50)
UTG+2 ($54.10)
MP1 ($41.05)
MP2 ($140.70)
MP3 ($17.50)
CO ($79.35)
Hero ($168.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 6 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, UTG folds.

Flop: ($10.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.5, BB calls $8.50.

Turn: ($27.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($27.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB folds.

Final Pot: $34.50

tufat23 · #2 04-26-2007, 10:46 AM

wow, i wish people would call my shoves when i want them to.

standard is just to bet $27 or c/r AI

4_2_it · #3 04-26-2007, 10:50 AM

Just bet close to pot on the turn and get it AI if villain raises or on any river. As an alternative, a turn CR AI would be a good play if you know that villain stacks off lightly. Both plays have merit.

What worse hands that call the flop do expect to call that turn overbet?

FWIW, a river overbet (on a blank river) screams missed draw and would be a better line.

Grunch · #4 04-26-2007, 10:52 AM

OP, When I see someone play the turn this way I mark them as being a kind of weak-tight. I agree with tufat, you don't have to try to terminate this hand on the turn. I don't know that your play is -EV (it might be) but it certianly isn't optimal, but the bigger issue is why you felt compelled to open-push the turn like that.

Tufat, that was like 27 words and 4 punctuation symbols.

Da GOAT · #5 04-26-2007, 11:46 AM

i near [censored] myself on hand 1. WTF about the turn?

Hand 2: im betting again on turn. as played bet more on river

joeblack · #6 04-26-2007, 12:29 PM

Hand 1: Bet $27 on the turn. As played it worked out good for you.

Hand 2: Bet the turn $23

It looks like you have a little work to do on your game but congrats on both wins!

LouisCyphre · #7 04-26-2007, 01:07 PM

Hand 1: There is no card you have to fear to fall on the river with your top 2 pair + flush draw. Bet for value an amount that you think will get called.

Hand 2: Bet the turn. That's where your value is. There is no reason to fear the paired 3. Also you build the pot for another river value bet.

Myke · #8 04-26-2007, 04:39 PM

Hand 1 I lost to a set. Am I still ahead most of the time there?

4_2_it · #9 04-26-2007, 04:46 PM

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Hand 1 I lost to a set. Am I still ahead most of the time there?

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Yes, but the way you played it, a decent player is only going to call you with a set. Your play allows hands you crush teh chance to get away, while letting hands that beat you get teh money in when they are the favorite.

Highlander. · #10 04-26-2007, 04:56 PM

Hand 1: It is not about how many pots you win but how much money you win. The k is scary on the turn and you have a great hand. I don't mind a check and a cr AI or a big bet on the river. With your bet and that scare card I can't see anyone call that don't have a set or a huge draw with a pair.