Dealers that make you get up and leave

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Could be worse:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD

[bav]

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Then one day a guy somehow pulled an 84o out of the muck that didn't match the board in any way.

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Barely related story here. Just a minor dealer melt-down, but more funny than annoying...

I saw a new one the other day. Dealer was sweeping folded cards into the muck and swept one of the board cards. He didn't notice he'd done that, but did notice a face up card that shouldn't be face up so he picks it up and announces "ten of hearts exposed" and tucks it face down into the muck (but not TOO deep).

"Ummm... Tony, we needed that card. It was part of the board."
"What? WHAT!?!? OMG I can't believe I did that."

And he then grabs the card out of the muck and turns it face up. Nope--not that card. He grabs another and turns it over. Nope, not that one either. He's getting frustrated and is about to lose it as he starts to reach for another at the wrong end of the muck and I stop him and tell him which end of the muck to consider and point at the one I think it probably is (I was in the 1-seat and kinda followed the card into the muck in front of me). I guessed right.

Everybody was good natured about it and had a laugh. I think he was on the virge of turning over the entire muck to try to dig out the ten, though. He claimed in his many years of dealing (he's no spring chicken) he'd never done exactly that. One of those "just when you think you've made every mistake you could make" moments.

[Monolith]

no dude, you're wrong: he did not specifically say what his hand was, so nothing wrong was done. Secondly, under no circumstances should a dealer say something like that to any customer. If a player IS an azzhole, then call the floor and have him removed. Lastly, no dealer should ever critcize any player and the play, unless they are absolute best friends or family. EVER.

[Mr Rick]

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no dude, you're wrong: he did not specifically say what his hand was, so nothing wrong was done. Secondly, under no circumstances should a dealer say something like that to any customer. If a player IS an azzhole, then call the floor and have him removed. Lastly, no dealer should ever critcize any player and the play, unless they are absolute best friends or family. EVER.

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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. He did describe his hand by implication and I think the dealer was correct to warn him. You are dead on about the a**hole comment - however I was trying to be funny (and point out that maybe the poster shouldn't ever tip the dealer again either). And finally, the dealer was making a joke, and it was a good one. I actually realized that if she was paying attention then others were probably listening too, so it helped me to shut up about my loose pre-flop calls.

[Wongboy]

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Thinking back on it now, I guess I could have taken off my shoe and used that as a card protector, but that seems pretty excessive.

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You didn't have a chip? You can't hold the cards in a way that shows *most* of the card? You can't tuck the edge of your cards in your stack? I have no problem... in fact applaud a dealer who tells a player they need to keep the cards in full view. I try to look in front of everyone before making my action and it pisses me off to no end when I act and someone says "yo dude, you gonna wait for me?" when they're groping the dang cards.

sorry for the diatribe, guess the point of it is I've got no sympathy.

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I'll try to clarify one more time. The dealer told me that I could not keep my hands on my cards AT ALL, after giving zero warnings. I could see if he warned me about covering more than half of my cards or whatever, and I continued to cover them all, but I thought the immediate move to "no keeping your hands on your cards" was a bit dumb. This was why I was irritated. I would have been fine if he had said "sir, please make sure that your hands do not completely cover your cards". He did NOT say that, or anything similar.

On the card protector, I generally have zero sympathy for people who claim that their cards were protected when they only had some chips on them. I would consider myself to be partially at fault if my cards were inadvertently mucked when they were only protected by some chips.

[kcmoore]

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On the card protector, I generally have zero sympathy for people who claim that their cards were protected when they only had some chips on them. I would consider myself to be partially at fault if my cards were inadvertently mucked when they were only protected by some chips.

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OK, I gotta ask....why is this?? Granted that I don't have too much time in a B&M (about 3-4 months), but protecting the card wuth chips seems to be a standard. What's so "special" about a real protector, other than it looks different from a chip (usually)?

[StevieG]

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I would consider myself to be partially at fault if my cards were inadvertently mucked when they were only protected by some chips.

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Really?

[Jack Bando]

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I've had dealers that really pissed me off, but I just stay there and tilt away my money instead of leaving the table (yes, I know this is a leak and I have no discipline). This has only happened 3 times that I can think of:

> Playing $8/$16 LHE, I raised villian's river bet with a board of As,Ks,Qc,Qd,Ts. Villian was deciding how to react and I said, "looks like we're splitting". After the hand, the dealer told me that my hand would be ruled dead if I talked about another hand I was in. I had the FH (obviously), and villian raised me with his flush.

> Playing $1/$2 NL, a dealer called my friend an a$$hole after my friend said that he wasn't giving the dealer another tip.

> Playing $1/$2 NL, I raised PF and got 2 callers. Old guy at the end of the table complained that he couldn't see my cards (my hands were on them). Dealer told me to keep my hands off my cards.

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1> I think dealer is correct here - you can't talk about your hand.
2> Is your friend an a**hole? If not, why didn't you tell the dealer you weren't tippiong him either?
3> Don't cover your cards. As said before, it affects others at the table who may act out of turn or make bets they wouldn't have otherwise made. Go with suggestions already made.

More to the point - why are you taking what a dealer says so personally? Keep an open mind at the table. I am always learning something I can apply to my game. Also, if I feel embarrased by a dealer's comments I just admit it out loud and move on. Recently at Foxwoods, Champagne a beautiful young Asian woman, was dealing and heard me say, "this has got to be a mistake" as I called pre-flop. When I folded on the turn she said "Why you keep playing that sh*t". Which was embarrassingly true. I laughed and wished it was me who was going out on a date with her that night.

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1)It's headsup in a cash game, player can say this.
2)It's a players right to not tip and even say so if the dealer isn't good. Dealers don't call players names.
3)Dealer told him not to even touch his cards. Put your hands on the corners would have been a fine command, not this.

[bav]

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On the card protector, I generally have zero sympathy for people who claim that their cards were protected when they only had some chips on them. I would consider myself to be partially at fault if my cards were inadvertently mucked when they were only protected by some chips.

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That's a silly notion. Chips are the standard for card protection (personally I find a single chip a little light so I try to keep 2 or 3 small denomination chips in my stack just for covering the cards). Bringing something with you to the casino just to cover your cards? Fine, if that's your schtick, be my guest, but I have better things to be putting in my pockets than some hunk o metal intended to make me look speshul while covering my cards.

[rbenuck4]

There is one dealer at my regular place, Resorts in Indiana, who called the clock on me during a hand. The river paired the board, there were four cards to a straight, and I had a flush. A relatively tight player went all in for about pot, and I had a real decision in front of me. After less than a minute, without any of the other players saying anything, he called the floor over to put a clock on me. I thought this was in very poor form, and I let him know it after the hand.

He is also the type who chats too much at the table. He gets real chummy with the regulars there, and will sometimes slow down the action so that he can say a "cute" remark to one of the other players at the table, sometimes about the hand (e.g. board of AAA, there's a bet and a call and he'll say "someone is lying". Whenever I see him and I'm not paying time, I go play black-jack for 30 minutes. If I am paying time, I tip him nothing for small pots and 1 dollar for huge pots (I'm normally a pretty generous tipper).