$6 turbo (is this play horrible?)

[chip-star]

I'm pretty new to hu poker having been a cash game player. I'm trying to learn hu sng's and have played around 10 games on pokerstars and have won just over half, i know i have alot of leaks and hope to fix them.

Is my line horrible here?

Thx for any comments

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qc 8c]
Villian: raises 100 to 150
Hero: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Kc 8d Tc]
Hero: checks
Villian: bets 150
Hero: raises 1485 to 1635 and is all-in

[whaahhahahah]

why not raise to 500 and push the turn?

[cwar]

Preflop fold, otherwise raise a pot committing amount on the flop.

[Crispy Bacon]

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why not raise to 500 and push the turn?

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Lets say for arguments sake villain has AK, hero's equity is just under 50% so pushing all-in is clearly a +EV play especially when combined with FE(although it's probably small against a hand like AK). If we raise to 500 and a bad card comes, a push may then be -EV since our FE all but evaporates and our odds of winning the hand drop.

Say the 2h comes on the turn, our EV drops to 32% and we have pot odds of 2300/1000 (assuming we have no FE) = 43% so it's no longer a +ev play. If I've worked this out correctly then I think it clearly shows pushing the flop is better.

[ChicagoRy]

You're OOP, if you miss on the turn and shove you have fold equity.

In position there's no reason why you couldn't call, but it would probably kill your action, as it would here.

[chip-star]

I didnt put villian on a hand as stong as AK here because i figured he'd have raised more on the flop to protect agianst the many possible draws out. I thought he either had a hand like Ax maybe AT-QJ or he didnt have much of the board at all. I felt he was weak and because i only had bottom pair with a flush draw i was happy to take the pot there and then. If he called i'd probably have alot of outs and i figured i'd have alot of fe if he folded making it +ev.

[cwar]

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why not raise to 500 and push the turn?

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Lets say for arguments sake villain has AK, hero's equity is just under 50% so pushing all-in is clearly a +EV play especially when combined with FE(although it's probably small against a hand like AK). If we raise to 500 and a bad card comes, a push may then be -EV since our FE all but evaporates and our odds of winning the hand drop.

Say the 2h comes on the turn, our EV drops to 32% and we have pot odds of 2300/1000 (assuming we have no FE) = 43% so it's no longer a +ev play. If I've worked this out correctly then I think it clearly shows pushing the flop is better.

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Crispy is my new fav poster very well put.

[omgwtfnoway]

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Preflop fold, otherwise raise a pot committing amount on the flop.

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i think it's more accurate to say, "raise an amount that your opponent will recognize as pot committing." i may be splitting hairs here but i think the distinction is important, especially at the $6 level. most of these players have very little idea what bets commit them/their opponent to the pot.

[Crispy Bacon]

yeh a raise to 750/800 would then give good odds on the river, and it might even give you more FE than a flop push because a flop push looks more like a draw.

[HokieGreg]

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Preflop fold, otherwise raise a pot committing amount on the flop.

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