TP vs KOLO (100NL)

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This hand is misplayed on the flop. By not checking this flop you made it so much harder than it has to be. In WA/WB situations a check is usually prudent.

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call

[bilbo-san]

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Actually I believe that the 44s should be discounted, not on account of you should threebet them, but on account of you should 3bet or fold them

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Wait what? Why would you want to bloat a pot OOP with a small pair, when you can flop such a monster at a decent price?

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because I open around 40% OTB, so your monster is rarely going to get paid off. You have 1 to 7 odds of hitting a set, then you have 1 to meh odds of me having a hand, and I have position on you, so you can be sure of extracting.


Back to you Fonkey [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I'm not playing for set value. I'd rather c/r a T 7 3 flop with pocket 4's, and pick off your c-bet rather than bloat this pot preflop.

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Lol at the player who like to c/r bluff w/this. I'd rather c/r that board with 89 or QJ then with 44. At least then I'd actually have outs when I get called. And if you don't want a call, what do you need 44 for?

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This hand is misplayed on the flop. By not checking this flop you made it so much harder than it has to be. In WA/WB situations a check is usually prudent.

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Isn't checking behind after a non3bet pf, A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] flop a leak? The part that makes it difficult is the C/R on said flop. Doesn't villain C/C with a huge range making it a worthwhile value bet on each street?

[rebuyboy]

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firstoff, if he calls w/ A8 and A4, why isnt AJ also in there? hell, add AQ or AK if he didnt repop. or he could have other fd type stuff, you assume villain will always play sets like this but not fds.. why?

also, if thats the range, check the flop equity, thats mroe interesting, bc if its that tight, fold is prolly more "right"

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I'm under the assumption that Kolo would never go nuts with just top pair here. I could see AK (especially considering it turned top two pair), and even if he is overplaying AQ we don't even beat that. Adding AJ+ to that range only hurts our equity.

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well, my point that if you ONLY add AJ, it helps our equity, bc then we're 50/50 and we only need 40, so it bumps it a little

do you agree AJ = A2 in this spot?

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I think if you add AJ you also should add AK/AQ, which hurts our equity.

I agree that AJ = A2 here, yes.

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That is dumb. AJ has better equity vs. his range than A2 which may swing this to a call.

[Keyser.]

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This hand is misplayed on the flop. By not checking this flop you made it so much harder than it has to be. In WA/WB situations a check is usually prudent.

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Betting flop is so standard. Bet for value/protection/because I doubt kolo fires turn AND river with air, etc.

Turn looks like a clear call.

[Speedlimits]

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This hand is misplayed on the flop. By not checking this flop you made it so much harder than it has to be. In WA/WB situations a check is usually prudent.

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Betting flop is so standard. Bet for value/protection/because I doubt kolo fires turn AND river with air, etc.

Turn looks like a clear call.

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A lot of people advocate a flop check not just me. Especially against someone tricky.

[aislephive]

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firstoff, if he calls w/ A8 and A4, why isnt AJ also in there? hell, add AQ or AK if he didnt repop. or he could have other fd type stuff, you assume villain will always play sets like this but not fds.. why?

also, if thats the range, check the flop equity, thats mroe interesting, bc if its that tight, fold is prolly more "right"

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I'm under the assumption that Kolo would never go nuts with just top pair here. I could see AK (especially considering it turned top two pair), and even if he is overplaying AQ we don't even beat that. Adding AJ+ to that range only hurts our equity.

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well, my point that if you ONLY add AJ, it helps our equity, bc then we're 50/50 and we only need 40, so it bumps it a little

do you agree AJ = A2 in this spot?

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I think if you add AJ you also should add AK/AQ, which hurts our equity.

I agree that AJ = A2 here, yes.

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That is dumb. AJ has better equity vs. his range than A2 which may swing this to a call.

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Uhhh you might want to actually use pokerstove or perhaps some common logic to see that there is no difference almost at all between AJ and A2, here. And actually, given we have the Jc here, switch our hand to A2 and our equity skyrockets 5 percent.

You were saying again?

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fold flop raise christ.

[Jay Riall]

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fold flop raise christ.

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You'll get walked all over by good players if you routinely bet/fold hands as strong as AJ on flops like these.