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#1
04-21-2007, 04:05 PM
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(6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
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No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t30/t60 7 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t2060 UTG+1: t1915 MP1: t880 CO: t1665 Button: t2685 SB: t2875 Hero: t1420 Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, MP1 calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t90)</font>, CO folds, Button calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t150)</font>, SB folds, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t300</font>, MP1 folds, Button calls t240 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t390)</font>. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t690, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t350</font>, Button calls t350 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1040)</font>. Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1390, 2 players) Villain is your average limp/call raise with pretty cards. He quite likely to have middle pair, Str8 or flush here. Size of my flop bet and wtf do I do on the turn ?? 
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#2
04-21-2007, 04:08 PM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
Bet 450 on flop, shove the turn.
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#5
04-21-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
That turn card was one of the worst possible you can see. But you're really hurting after that flop bet... you'd have about 700 chips left. Meh. I think there's a high probability you're drawing dead on that turn card. I actually think it's better to check-fold that turn and hope to get lucky with your 700 chip stack - it's better than having ZERO chips because you got all-in drawing dead.
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#6
04-22-2007, 10:43 AM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
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From his read surely shoving the turn is a -EV play no? [/ QUOTE ] As played it's close, but if we bet 450-500 on the flop and he just calls WE HAVE TO push any turn because we have already committed ourselfto the hand. It is also possible this is some donk with top pair or that turn scared him as much as it does us. Losing half your stack by folding an unimproved AA before a showdown in a $6.50 is NEVER an ok thing to do in my opinion.
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#7
04-22-2007, 10:50 AM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
Open Push this flop ?
Seems may a bit oversized, but I like it. Edit : I tought about it a bit more and I stick with Open Push flop. We are ahead most of the time, its only "400" more then pot, hands like AQ or KQ, even QJ or Q5 will call us and we charge as much as possible from the draws.
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#8
04-22-2007, 11:15 AM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
push turn i dont like open shoving flop. i think we're losing too much value.
i dont see a ten in villains range other than possibly TT and AT if hes really bad. seeing as how the queen of spades and jack of spades is on the board, it is unlikely that he has a made flush on the turn.
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#10
04-22-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: (6.50) Turbo Overpair horrible Turn
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push turn i dont like open shoving flop. i think we're losing too much value. i dont see a ten in villains range other than possibly TT and AT if hes really bad. seeing as how the queen of spades and jack of spades is on the board, it is unlikely that he has a made flush on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Note my read. You could add KT,QT,JT to that range. On this flop and been OOP shoving the flop may be the right thing to do here. Normally i would think that betting the flop and shoving the turn is better. But with time to reflect there is a lot of the deck that I will not like shoving the turn. Any decent bet on the flop makes a shove mandotary on the turn.
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