Medium Stakes Hold 'em: Losing Big with Expert Play

HOWMANY · #1 04-22-2007, 10:24 AM

Hand from last night when I was allowed to win that I meant to post yesterday. 40 that is 3 handed and I think the fish was eating or something, maybe we were playing 3 handed voluntarily, I don't remember, Mike probably does. Once again villain is Mike L. We are in a lot of pots together because I'm easy to play against and I never fold once I get a piece of the board. FWIW 3 handed poker feels like one of my weakest spots, I think I play too many hands on the button and not enough in the sb but I have a hard time fixing it.

I raise button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3:diamond, Mike coldcalls in sb, whoever the bb was calls (maybe it was Gary, I forget).

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Check to me and I bet like I always do, Mike c/r, I call planning to just call down probably.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Mike checks, I bet, he c/r

Anyone want to 3bet right here for a free showdown? I don't think he can have a hand with a 4 in it here. KX clubs is a possibility, but a "better" T seems much more likely, and this turn card makes us a favorite against them. I thought about it and then decided to call and decide what to do on the river.

River is some random heart blank.

Mike checks, I check.

I'm most interested in turn play. Maybe someone wants to bet river. Feel free to toss in a "fold preflop".

benwood · #2 04-22-2007, 11:46 AM

If your opponent were weak & passive so that you could turn him into a checker & caller with this move on the turn,I would like it.

As it is,against Mike,I think that the way that you played it was best.

shockdaworld · #3 04-22-2007, 11:52 AM

fear of getting trifecta'd is good enough reason for me to check behind. I doubt he plays 22-99 this way, with a call in sb and all.

this doesn't seem like a good game to sit in.

DeathDonkey · #4 04-22-2007, 03:07 PM

Three handed is more art than science, so you need to decide what style of player you are. If it were me, I would 3 bet and probably 5 bet this flop against Mike, and failing that, I would have 3 bet the turn because it doesn't seem like he can have anything. For you, this might be enough action but I think you should probably still bet the river and get checkraised again, he might do it with worse.

-DeathDonkey

HOWMANY · #5 04-22-2007, 05:43 PM

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fear of getting trifecta'd is good enough reason for me to check behind. I doubt he plays 22-99 this way, with a call in sb and all.

this doesn't seem like a good game to sit in.

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Yeah the thing is that it was a must move game and there was an 8 handed main game. The tables at this casino are 9 max but when it's must move/main they will break the must move and make the main temporarily 10 handed so if I quit this game I have to wait for 2 people to leave the main game and if I stay I only have to wait for 1 to leave.

Sailboats · #6 04-22-2007, 05:53 PM

I like it all streets. Turn i would just call since most likely you are behind.

Would Mike get out of line OOP and with the "fish" as the BB?

HOWMANY · #7 04-22-2007, 06:02 PM

I think the BB in this hand might have actually been a decent player, it wasn't the goofy fish from my the other hand. The fish disappeared for a while from the must move then mysteriously came back to the main game later to make sure I had a winning session.

Chris Daddy Cool · #8 04-22-2007, 08:36 PM

it depends a lot on your table dynamics with mike. i've never played with him so i wouldn't know what he would or wouldn't do here but dd seems to have a firm grasp of his style here but his dynamic with him would be a lot different than yours with him probably.

all that said i would 3-bet the flop and call down if 4bet unless mike is getting way out of line.

i would also bet the river and let him checkraise me again and be okay with that.

HOWMANY · #9 04-22-2007, 08:45 PM

For some reason I think he thinks I'm super straight forward because like all the showdowns we get to I have a big hand aside from 1 A high value bet every street when he was running bad and I wanted to play a pot against him and then another accidental A high bluff/don't want to see a showdown even if I have the best hand where he called with KQ. There have been some hands where we've gone 3-4 bets on early streets and he has ended up folding where I am assuming I won the battle of being most stubborn with our nothings, but it's possible he made some big expert laydowns I guess.

This hand would have been better posted before the KK hand where he c/r me with AA.