JJ call on the river? hows my overall line.

[ronitonline]

Only 25 hands on villian, average stats.
Unknown pretty much.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $99.80
BB: $116.65
UTG: $437.20
<u>CO: $140.95</u>
<u>ronitonline (BTN): $97</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> ronitonline is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $1, <font color="red">ronitonline raises to $4.50</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($10.50) 4 T 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $10.50</font>, ronitonline calls $10.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($31.50) 4 T 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $20</font>, ronitonline calls $20

<font color="black">River:</font> ($71.50) 4 T 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $35</font>, ronitonline calls $35

Pot Size: $141.50 ($3 Rake)

[shpanko]

I might fold the turn. Given how you got there I think you have to call the river. I raise the flop a lot too since it has a frush draw

[Fly]

I think this is fine since I wouldn't expect someone who limp calls pf from the CO to lead pot on the flop w/ a flush draw.

[ronitonline]

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I might fold the turn. Given how you got there I think you have to call the river. I raise the flop a lot too since it has a frush draw

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What do you put him on to fold on the turn? He doesnt have K10, A10 enough? Top pair is betting angainst the flush for sure...

[Trader_Joe]

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I might fold the turn. Given how you got there I think you have to call the river. I raise the flop a lot too since it has a frush draw

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What do you put him on to fold on the turn? He doesnt have K10, A10 enough? Top pair is betting angainst the flush for sure...

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This leads to raising the flop for value.

[ronitonline]

I wanted to get more value, He might fold K10,Q10 if I raise flop, he calls, and he almost for sure checks turn since the pot is so big, and I bet because I dont want to let him get the flush... then he folds.

[lifes3ps]

ron, might want to focus on not getting value from such weak holdings. w/ jj i just want to win the pot on an unders flop which is why i raise flop. if hes raising out strong youll find out, hell also call w/ tpgk so you infact are getting value from that. and no i think tp is checking the flush here less hes got Kc/Ac/Qc/Jc to go w/ it.

the point is not raising the flop doesnt give us any information about his hand. if you raise and he calls. you can see a cheap riv hopefully, if he shoves your folding anyway.

cliffnotes: raise for info

[bilbo-san]

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I wanted to get more value, He might fold K10,Q10 if I raise flop, he calls, and he almost for sure checks turn since the pot is so big, and I bet because I dont want to let him get the flush... then he folds.

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he can't be retarded enough to bet a T on all 3 streets here AND smart enough to fold the flop with a T if you raise. Do you see why?

[ronitonline]

I never said he will fold a 10 on the flop, I said on the turn after he calls my flop raise and the flush gets there and I bet big to protect vs the flush, he will surely fold J10,Q10 and maybe even K10,A10.

[lifes3ps]

your not raisng the turn there tho, your checking behind and calling an ok riv bet