Fishy or Coincidental?

[Burno]

Had a hand occur in a home game tonight that gave me pause, and I was hoping I could hear a couple other viewpoints on it.

Rebuy SNG. Host is one of my best friends who I've known since childhood. The guy I'm concerned about was unknown to me, but the host says he knows him fairly well, and other have vouched for him as well. There is another professional dealer playing with us as well.

Anyways, its one of the pro dealer's deals, and it ends up UTG receives aces, the dealer who dealt gets KK OTB, the pot is HU, and all the money goes in on the turn with two overpairs on a ten high board. River is the K I called was coming.


I tried to get the host aside with a reasonable excuse to see if he noticed but he was oblivious and insisted I was being paranoid.

Now the dude in question seemed like a nice enough fellow, and his GF actually played and busted first. Furthermore, after he busted he left and then returned, having remembered he hadn't paid his buy-in, which the host hadn't noticed.


Thoughts?

[Brokeski]

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The guy I'm concerned about was unknown to me, but the host says he knows him fairly well, and other have vouched for him as well. There is another professional dealer playing with us as well.

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so is the guy you are questioning a dealer or not, because you say it was the pro dealers deal and im guessing you are saying he set the deck up. but here is my question for you with all that confusion aside. well actualy i have a few quesitons.

ONE: what would make you think a professional dealer would be good at rigging a deck at all. Highly doubtful he rigs a deck while he deals at a casino and if hes dealing all day its also doubtfull he would spend his spare time, when he isnt playing, to teach himself how to rig a deck so its not spottable.

TWO: Why go through what would seem like the more complicated trouble of giving yourself two kings and your opponant two aces just to hit a king on the river, it seems like it would be more to set up. Why not just give yourself two aces and your opponant two kings.

[AndyInDetroit]

Coincidental.

[philr]

Coincidental - but watch closely

[Burno]

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The guy I'm concerned about was unknown to me, but the host says he knows him fairly well, and other have vouched for him as well. There is another professional dealer playing with us as well.

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so is the guy you are questioning a dealer or not, because you say it was the pro dealers deal and im guessing you are saying he set the deck up. but here is my question for you with all that confusion aside. well actualy i have a few quesitons.

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Yes, the dealer, and winner of the hand was a professional dealer.
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ONE: what would make you think a professional dealer would be good at rigging a deck at all. Highly doubtful he rigs a deck while he deals at a casino and if hes dealing all day its also doubtfull he would spend his spare time, when he isnt playing, to teach himself how to rig a deck so its not spottable.

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Maybe OP has read too many Russ G. posts.

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TWO: Why go through what would seem like the more complicated trouble of giving yourself two kings and your opponant two aces just to hit a king on the river, it seems like it would be more to set up. Why not just give yourself two aces and your opponant two kings.

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Actually that's what gave me pause more than anything. It looks a lot less like a set-up this way, which of course is why I thought it might be a set-up.

All,

Thanks for the responses. One important piece of info I did leave out of the OP is that we keep two decks going in this game to move it along.

[DavidNB]

Was the deck cut and I assume burn cards were used?

[Burno]

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Was the deck cut and I assume burn cards were used?

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Cards were burned. The host does a piss poor job of making sure people cut. Some do, some don't.

My friend the host's biggest point of contention of was the sheer logistics of it, which I can definitely undetstand since we where 8 handed. How difficult is it to stack a deck for a hand like this?

[DavidNB]

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The host does a piss poor job of making sure people cut. Some do, some don't

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You guys should look at changing this. It should be everyones right(and problem) to ensure the deck is cut It would sovle alot of problems hopefully if the deck were to be cut.

That set aside, AA agaisnt KK happens and when it ndoes, you know every ones going all in. My first and only casino tourney had one of the first couple of hands at another table deal out AA, KK and QQ. After a raise, reraise and another reraise all three were all in and the turn brought a K.

[jjshabado]

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Was the deck cut and I assume burn cards were used?

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Cards were burned. The host does a piss poor job of making sure people cut. Some do, some don't.

My friend the host's biggest point of contention of was the sheer logistics of it, which I can definitely undetstand since we where 8 handed. How difficult is it to stack a deck for a hand like this?

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I'm no mechanic, but thats pretty [censored] hard. He's setting up the 3rd, 8th, 11th, 16th, and 24th card at the simplest.

[Lottery Larry]

Probably coincidental, but I'm going to give you credit and assume you're not letting the dealer shuffle and cut his own deck....