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Old 04-19-2007, 12:36 PM
LoNeLyAcEs LoNeLyAcEs is offline
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Default Re: KTo - Flop Decision

MP2, will pay 3 BB most of the time and considering the huge pot i expect MP3 to call the turn bet of MP2 most of the time, in the worst case scenario i expect that all except MP2 will fold to the turn raise and call the river bet -> 4BB

in a optimistic case i get a cold caller on the turn and MP2,MP3 calls and 2 caller on the river -> 8 BB
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:42 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: KTo - Flop Decision

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Look at our position relative the last flop aggressor

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may as well look at our hand relative to the turn and river cards.... how can we possibly know who the last flop aggressor will be when we call?

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we hit our J and raise the turn, we face BB (and UTG when he comes along) with 2 cold.

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if BB can fire on this flop in to 6 opponents, he will probly donk the turn. also we wouldnt be raising the turn.

suggesting that we cant make up FOUR BB here is absolutely ludicrous.

4BB would be if only 2 ppl go to showdown and only 1 raise is made.

most likely scenario is: button probly calls the flop given pot odds (seriously give me a button range that isnt calling this flop if we coldcall), UTG definitely calls (for 1 more bet he probly folds <5% of the time) and 5 players go to a turn.

we probly get at least 1 bet in from 3 players on the turn, maybe 2 if BB does donk, and then on average another 2BB from 2 players (if the turn is treyed or the river is raised)

we are seriously looking at at ~7BB for the rest of the hand.

in a perfect world we go to war with a set and pick up a 30BB pot....
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