Just moved up to 100NL need some help - getting raised

[italianstang]

Same opponent in both hands. I have just moved to this level so I am not familiar with the players and I have no stats on this opponent in particular. My initial read is that he is in a lot of hands.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $99
BB: $156.70
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $106.90</font>
MP: $60.40
CO: $82.20
BTN: $100

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, MP folds, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($11) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $32</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $25 returned to CO


Hand 2:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $115.30
BB: $106.50
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $105.20</font>
CO: $73.50
BTN: $84.60

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($7.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17</font>, BB calls $10

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($41.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($41.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $86</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $61 returned to BB

Pot Size: $41.50 ($3 Rake)

Hand 2 I check the turn for pot control and attempt to value bet the river. Any ideas?

[carnivalhobo]

1: i call and see what happens on the turn

2: raise more on the flop, river fold is fine, but i probably bet something like 37.

[Dr_Doctr]

Hand 1 - Call and donk a safe turn card and fold to a turn raise?

Hand 2 - Raise more on flop (about $22 maybe). As played I usually bet the turn but sometimes I don't. Again as played river looks fine because Villian looks like a K. Once he c/rs you without reads your aces are trash.

[Fly]

Hand 1)

Given the fact that villain is an active player I would just shove over his flop raise. Also, your cbet should be bigger, 10-11 is good.

Hand 2)

I would raise the flop to ~25. You want to charge a draw and build a big pot vs top pair, your small raise accomplishes neither. Turn check is good. Betting the river is good, ~33 seems right, once he c/r the river you gotta give him credit for something better then AA.

[Fly]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn


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This makes no sense, what could possibly happen?

[italianstang]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn

2: raise more on the flop, river fold is fine, but i probably bet something like 37.

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Is there any significance to him raising $25 on the flop? Seems like a lot.

Also, I am used to the 50NL players. Is there going to be a difference at this level?

[carnivalhobo]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn


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This makes no sense, what could possibly happen?

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one of the good cards could come off and i can bet/call
a blank can come off, he can make a weak bet and i can crai
a bad turn can come and i can c/f

[Fly]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn


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This makes no sense, what could possibly happen?

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one of the good cards could come off and i can bet/call
a blank can come off, he can make a weak bet and i can crai
a bad turn can come and i can c/f

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If you call the turn, the pot will be 75 and villain will have 45 behind....

and what good/bad cards are you thinking about? The only potential bad cards that I see are flush cards, hence pushing the flop is better...

[carnivalhobo]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn


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This makes no sense, what could possibly happen?

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one of the good cards could come off and i can bet/call
a blank can come off, he can make a weak bet and i can crai
a bad turn can come and i can c/f

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If you call the turn, the pot will be 75 and villain will have 45 behind....

and what good/bad cards are you thinking about? The only potential bad cards that I see are flush cards, hence pushing the flop is better...

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didnt see stacks im fine with getting it in on the flop too, but aces and tens arent great turn cards either.

[italianstang]

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1: i call and see what happens on the turn


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This makes no sense, what could possibly happen?

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one of the good cards could come off and i can bet/call
a blank can come off, he can make a weak bet and i can crai
a bad turn can come and i can c/f

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If you call the turn, the pot will be 75 and villain will have 45 behind....

and what good/bad cards are you thinking about? The only potential bad cards that I see are flush cards, hence pushing the flop is better...

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If we push the flop what are we hoping he has? Exactly KJ?
We can't beat AK, K 10, a set or KQ. We have to be hoping that he has KJ or air here right?

Plus, if we call and see the turn, the only card we are hoping for is a Q yes? Seems like a tough call given stacks. Is this a hand where I just chalk it up to getting outplayed maybe, but probably being beat, and lay it down?