20/40 Commerce - Playing Defense... with the 2nd nuts.

[DJ Sensei]

he's never folding a naked 7 here, and it looks like a weak "i dont like that river card but i still have to valuebet it" bet with 76. He has to assume that much of your range has a 7 in it, so if he's got QJ it should be a bigger valuebet.

so i'd push it to the limit.


Flop is fine with these stacks, and turn is standard/good.

[Ansky]

Absolutelu agree w/ everyone here, gotta shove it in on the river.

I think flop is kinda silly.

[DJ Sensei]

well heres what i think about the flop that makes checking alright with me:

1) chances are neither of them has a piece, if we bet the flop we take it down right there much of the time.
2) we know all the cards that can do us wrong, and are in a position to react accordingly when they do
3) deception, nobody expects you to check a huge hand behind 2 people in a raised pot on that board
4) if we decide to play for stacks, we'll have it be on our terms

[neon]

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a few orbits ago he raises to 200 and calls a re-raise to 600 from the SB after some discussion (who had about 3000 total), then INSTA-CALLS and all-in for 2400 more or so with 3 4 on J 8 9 board.

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pretty sure you may have been dealing with 2p2er obxnole.

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Ahahahahaha. FSU, comments????


And for the love of god, stick the rest in on the river. Really sucks when you call and he tables A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] thinking it's the nuts.

Flop is kinda weird too, I'm betting here virtually 100% of the time for a variety of reasons.

[duh]

didn't you check the flop so you could shove this river?

[fsuplayer]

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a few orbits ago he raises to 200 and calls a re-raise to 600 from the SB after some discussion (who had about 3000 total), then INSTA-CALLS and all-in for 2400 more or so with 3 4 on J 8 9 board.

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pretty sure you may have been dealing with 2p2er obxnole.

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Ahahahahaha. FSU, comments????


And for the love of god, stick the rest in on the river. Really sucks when you call and he tables A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] thinking it's the nuts.

Flop is kinda weird too, I'm betting here virtually 100% of the time for a variety of reasons.

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what he said.

i cant honestly think of a reason to not shove this river against this player. i am speechless.

and LOL at lapoker's comment, where is that greatest hand ever played thread? it needs some updating.


edit: i just realized that you have less than $2700 left on the river. a;ldksjf;alskdjfa;skdjfa;lskdjf;.... minraise all in plz.

[jj12]

I put this donk all in on the turn. He will call with many worse hands. I don't think that he is even folding a slowplayed 2 pair. I don't think that he is bluffing and there are many scare cards on the river that can shut him down.

[PwnedDonk]

TdJd?

[bigt439]

im with the rest of the 'get it in camp', but i also agree it seems like a really awful spot to mix it up.

you have so much more to play for, tons of cards that really hurt your action, and you could be taking a stab with tons of hands and therefore increase the likelihood of getting c/r'd on a board that leaves lots of room for hands to c/r. if everything goes right on the turn, checking this flop and raising the turn doesn't even look particularly weak.

[Chaoslord]

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1) chances are neither of them has a piece, if we bet the flop we take it down right there much of the time.


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T98 is a flop that hits someone almost everytime, set, 2pair, pair+str8 draw all these hands give you action you might loose if a bad turn card comes (7 or J for example).

also with your description of villian i think you are good here about 90% of the time, and more important you probably get paid off by a set too if you shove river. i might shove turn though, thats close.