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#1
04-18-2007, 01:30 AM
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NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
Should I have bet more on the flop or should I have played more cautiously? An overpair is a good hand, but the board is dangerous, especially on the turn. Any thoughts?
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com MP2 ($42.65) MP3 ($26.95) CO ($33.05) Button ($44.75) SB ($73.30) BB ($108.05) UTG ($58.15) Hero ($53.75) MP1 ($46.55) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.25. Flop: ($6.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, UTG calls $6. Turn: ($19.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $48.9 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $44.5 (All-In)</font>. River: ($112.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $112.65 
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#2
04-18-2007, 01:33 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
I think your flop raise size was fine. My upper limit would probably be about $7.
On the turn I just call it down and consider folding to a good sized river bet. That was one of the worst cards for your hand. Just try to get to showdown cheaply, when this much more money goes in, you will rarely have the best of it.
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#3
04-18-2007, 02:17 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
You flop bet is fine in my opinion. $7.25 would be a pot sized raise.
On the turn I would just call. Any two pair, set, AA, KK, 56, or Ten beats you. If I called the turn and villian bets pot on the river, I probably would have to fold.
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#4
04-18-2007, 02:19 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
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You flop bet is fine in my opinion. $7.25 would be a pot sized raise. On the turn I would just call. Any two pair, set, AA, KK, 56, or Ten beats you. If I called the turn and villian bets pot on the river, I probably would have to fold. [/ QUOTE ] What do you do if he bets around 2/3 pot?
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#5
04-18-2007, 03:00 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
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[ QUOTE ] You flop bet is fine in my opinion. $7.25 would be a pot sized raise. On the turn I would just call. Any two pair, set, AA, KK, 56, or Ten beats you. If I called the turn and villian bets pot on the river, I probably would have to fold. [/ QUOTE ] What do you do if he bets around 2/3 pot? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know, it depends on my read. Why did he bet $0.50 on the flop and turn and now all of a sudden he makes a 2/3 pot bet on the river? Would he do this with a jack or as a bluff? I think the villian made the $0.50 bet on the turn since the hero raised him on the flop. The villian might be thinking he might raise him again on the turn. It's rather that, or the villian is a complete idiot and he has any two cards here. Since the pot is already pretty large and all I have is one pair, I'd rather see a cheap showdown. I've played a few hands that are kind of simular to this one. Rather the villian bets $0.50 on the river with almost anything, or he bets something near pot with something that beats you. I'd probably fold if he made a 2/3 pot bet, and maybe call a half pot bet.
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#8
04-18-2007, 07:05 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
Dont raise the turn, thats exactly what he wants you to do, call for the T cos you are well behind, if villains are gonna give you odds to bust em - let em!! Oh and dont ever make bet sizes like villain here does!
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#9
04-18-2007, 09:48 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
Preflop & flop are standard plays for me. I just call the turn getting huge odds to spike a T to bust his straight/two pair/set. If he leads weak on th river I flat call expecting him to turn over a huge hand that he didn't make any money on because he wants you to bet his hand for him.
Did he show a set or a straight?
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#10
04-18-2007, 09:53 AM
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Re: NL50 - giving too much implied odds on the flop with an overpair?
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Just call the turn. He's giving you odds to spike a 10 vs his made hand, if he has one, which it looks like he does. And you get to showdown cheaper with a one pair hand if you don't hit. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is right on here. A little weak tight, but I dont think hes playing you here and you are behind his range IMO. As played, PF and flop are excellent, turn, well, Im folding to the push I think.
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