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Old 04-18-2007, 01:36 AM
Stoneflip Stoneflip is offline
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Default BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

Villian is 45/9/1

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

SB: $73.75
<font color="black">Stoneflip (BB): $102.25</font>
UTG: $5.05
MP: $42.20
CO: $49.20
BTN: $30.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Stoneflip is dealt J 8 (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, Stoneflip checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($1) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Stoneflip bets $1, SB calls $1

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($3) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q (2 Players)
SB checks
hero???
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:47 AM
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Default Re: BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

i would often raise pf, but checking is fine. the reason i raise pf with a very wide range here is to either a) win a larger pot in position (many players will c/f) or just win the pot outright here.

the flop is good. i like the full pot on this drawy flop.

the turn i think there can either be an argument for betting $2 or checking to induce a bluff.

both work imo. you can bet $2 to charge draws(and there are many on this board) and probably check behind on the river if he checks to you. or sometimes call a bet on the river.

or you can check behind the turn and hope to induce a river bluff (and call the river no matter what the card almost always). (unless the river is say, 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) then you can just fold if he leads.

so, do whatever you feel is best on this such opponent. vs. an unknown, i would probably bet.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:47 AM
Caeddyn Caeddyn is offline
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Default Re: BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

Bet $2 on turn, hope for free showdown.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

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Bet $2 on turn, hope for free showdown.

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Old 04-18-2007, 02:19 AM
Stoneflip Stoneflip is offline
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Default Re: BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

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i would often raise pf, but checking is fine. the reason i raise pf with a very wide range here is to either a) win a larger pot in position (many players will c/f) or just win the pot outright here.



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Yeah i need to defend in position stronger

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the flop is good. i like the full pot on this drawy flop.

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cool

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the turn i think there can either be an argument for betting $2 or checking to induce a bluff

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And this is where my main interest lies. I see the Q dies not scare you, I guess I was a little worried about losing, but should have been worried about value.

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both work imo. you can bet $2 to charge draws(and there are many on this board) and probably check behind on the river if he checks to you. or sometimes call a bet on the river.

or you can check behind the turn and hope to induce a river bluff (and call the river no matter what the card almost always). (unless the river is say, 9) then you can just fold if he leads.


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Yeah I ended up folding when he led the river, but wasnt sure if he put me on air and a failed flop steal, in which case my jack is good. Improving my play on marginal holdings such as these would greatly increase my profitability.

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so, do whatever you feel is best on this such opponent. vs. an unknown, i would probably bet.

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Yeah I should have lead because it gave me no read on the river bet. Thx for all the help
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Old 04-18-2007, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: BB top pair on flop, mid pair on turn..Fire again???

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Bet $2 on turn, hope for free showdown.

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This seems to be the consensus
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