AA in rr pot. Worst flop possible - Page 2

CazicT · #11 04-17-2007, 03:43 PM

Yeah agreed, there is definetly a nonzero possiblity he could have a lower PP or AQ/AJ etc. So that probably pushes this into a fairly clear push, or check raise push or whatever. But you will be beat quite often.

bilbo-san · #12 04-17-2007, 04:22 PM

Just open shove. Pot's too big. Twisted gave you the math, but you shouldn't really need it. If you get 1/3 of your stack in pre-flop, you should never really want to fold post-flop.

AbreuTime · #13 04-17-2007, 04:36 PM

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Just open shove. Pot's too big. Twisted gave you the math, but you shouldn't really need it. If you get 1/3 of your stack in pre-flop, you should never really want to fold post-flop.

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That's not great advice (open pushing). If you conclude that you do well against his range, you should not immediately bet an amount that folds the few hands that you dominate (AJ/AQ/lower PP). You should try to get value off of these dominated hands, whether that means inducing bluffs or calls, depending on opponent's tendencies. CRAI might be best if the opponent is aggro, but a simple bet/call may be ok in most circumstances. I just dont like an open-push, but I'm curious if people have had success with it on flops like this.

EDIT: open pushing may be +EV from the pokerstove analysis, but it may be +++EV to take a different line (bet/call or check/call).

TwistedEcho · #14 04-17-2007, 05:20 PM

I probably check really fast like i don't like the board and try to get him to shove the hands we beat. Its going to go check check here so rarely, and you aren't too worried about scare cards since his range should be pretty small by now.

UOPokerPlayer · #15 04-17-2007, 05:57 PM

it doesn't matter, you got in enough money pf.

UOPokerPlayer · #16 04-17-2007, 05:58 PM

Also since the board is scary and you never fold, check it and hope he thinks ZOMG BLUFFING OPPORTUNITY.

MasterLJ · #17 04-17-2007, 06:00 PM

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Also since the board is scary and you never fold, check it and hope he thinks ZOMG BLUFFING OPPORTUNITY.

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I like this so much more than open shoving or even leading. If you're getting your money AI here no matter what, at least give him a chance to lead with worse hands.