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Old 04-17-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

This is from one of the first few hands of the Stars 15k guaranteed last night.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t3000)
MP2 (t2940)
MP3 (t3020)
CO (t2900)
Button (t2970)
SB (t2980)
BB (t3130)
UTG (t3000)
UTG+1 (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, MP2 calls t80, MP3 calls t80, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t270) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, MP2 calls t200, MP3 calls t200.

Turn: (t870) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...?

After getting called by two players on the flop, I'm concerned that an opponent has the Ac.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

pot the flop

check the turn for value
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

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pot the flop

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Why pot vs. my 3/4 pot bet? Personal preference? With these stacks a pot bet still never gets rid of the Ac.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

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Why pot? ...with these stacks a pot bet still never gets rid of the Ac.

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Looks like you answered your own question.

Now, think about what else a pot bet never gets rid of.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

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Looks like you answered your own question.

Now, think about what else a pot bet never gets rid of.

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Sorry, Steve. I'm not sure how I answered my own question (personal preference???) nor do I see what you're trying to get at. Please elaborate.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

I was trying to get cute with my answer... I bolded the important part in the quote in my last reply.

You bet more because he will call more.

You are ahead and you want his chips in your stack and not his.

If he is calling with AcX then you want that money in the middle. If he is calling with AJ/KJ/QJ then you want that money in the middle.

My point is that he is calling a full pot bet with all of the same hands that he is calling for 3/4 pot so you might as well get his chips in the middle before a scare card falls.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

i'm a cash game donk, but this early this hand looks like a WB /WA line from the turn
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: QQ with flush draw, but does opponent have nuts?

also the point about squeezing value out on the flop is a very good point IMO, i've gotta do that more
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