16: How's my line?

[loxxii]

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if i had a bigger stack, i would fold pf.

i limp here looking for a draw because I am desperate and have good odds.

I dont know if this thinking is wrong though

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i seriously do not know if this is incorrect or not, so I am bumping to get an answer from one of the more learned guys here.

[Kibby]

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id fold pf...as played this is probably ok, c/r AI is prob. ok too.

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[dode]

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if i had a bigger stack, i would fold pf.

i limp here looking for a draw because I am desperate and have good odds.

I dont know if this thinking is wrong though

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i seriously do not know if this is incorrect or not, so I am bumping to get an answer from one of the more learned guys here.

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I think this way myself. Contradicts some previous posts though; so I too would like clarification.

[Kibby]

Loxxii-

If you had a bigger stack and your opponents had bigger stacks, this would be closer to a call. Its like 6-7% of your chip stack.

[Kevin8423]

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if i had a bigger stack, i would fold pf.

i limp here looking for a draw because I am desperate and have good odds.

I dont know if this thinking is wrong though

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I think it is wrong to play this way. The reason you can do this early in the tournament is because the cost of limping is a tiny fraction of your stack, much like the tiny fraction of the time that you connect with the board enough to have a good hand or good draw.

When you are getting low in chips in later levels I think you need to conserve every last chip to maximize the amount you have when you find spots to shove. If you call off what is now a decent portion of your stack to limp, the majority of the time you will just be losing an extra .5BB, not creating a draw often enough to make it worth completing.

[Kibby]

Do yourself a favor and listen to Kevin.

[loxxii]

that'll do it. thanks guys

[chaz64]

OK, so what are the weakest hands to shove in this situation PF? Top 30%? 40%?

[pifhluk]

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if i had a bigger stack, i would fold pf.

i limp here looking for a draw because I am desperate and have good odds.

I dont know if this thinking is wrong though

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I think it is wrong to play this way. The reason you can do this early in the tournament is because the cost of limping is a tiny fraction of your stack, much like the tiny fraction of the time that you connect with the board enough to have a good hand or good draw.

When you are getting low in chips in later levels I think you need to conserve every last chip to maximize the amount you have when you find spots to shove. If you call off what is now a decent portion of your stack to limp, the majority of the time you will just be losing an extra .5BB, not creating a draw often enough to make it worth completing.

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nh sir

[chaz64]

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OK, so what are the weakest hands to shove in this situation PF? Top 30%? 40%?

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Never mind, I thought someone had suggested a push PF, but no one did.

After fooling around with some numbers I'm now thinking that the only hands one should complete the small blind with is medium to small PPs, and only when fairly deep. I think I just plugged a leak.

Nice hand Kevin, thanks.