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Old 04-15-2007, 06:18 PM
Mackerel Mackerel is offline
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Default Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

Hi all, I'm still a relative n00b to MTT's, but I have a lot of cash game experience. I apologize if this too simple, but it was the beginning of the end for my tourney.

Level 3 (blinds 50/100). I'm in the BB w/K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and approx. $10,500

Villian is UTG and has me slightly covered. No reads on villian at all, he's only been in 2 or 3 pots and hasn't shown down a hand.

Villian raises to $300, 2 folds, MP calls, folds to button who calls, SB folds. I make it $1600 to go. UTG smooth calls and others fold.

Pot: $4250

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (or similar)

I lead for $2500, villian insta-pushes. I hate life and fold.

Does anybody think there is enough chance of him not having AA here to justify a call? Folding here left me with around half the average stack, and I never recovered, but I did struggle along for a couple more levels. I Almost wonder if calling and busting to AA right then wouldn't have been better. Anybody call here? Should I have played it differently? Any thoughts appreciated.
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:25 PM
Chimp__greg Chimp__greg is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

TBH I don't think he ever has aces here... he'd likely re-raise pre-flop as most million donks do (they either slowplay or fastplay, no in between call of the 3-bet). The only hand that beats you is JJ, and occasionally, but not likely, 88 does this also.

He does this with QJ+, TT sometimes, JJ+, and air if he's a donk.

So you're behind two of them and have most of his range dominated. If this is a different tourney then you have a tougher call, but I instacall this.
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

i stack off
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:29 PM
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horrible fold
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

Really? Wow. Since he hadn't hardly played a hand in 2.5 rounds, I kinda discounted him being an idiot, but I've only played the Million a couple of times, and you may be right. Just seems like a weird time to make that play on me after I've shown so much strength. I hadn't been splashing around, and he wouldn't have had a lot of reason to think I was weaker than I was representing. So those kind of moves are typical early in the Million? Now I really wish I would've called..... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Thanks for your comments.
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

It's close but think this was a good fold - you beat exactly QQ here and I dunno that QQ jams the flop. Poker tournaments are frustrating as hell sometimes.
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:51 PM
T0ne D0wn T0ne D0wn is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

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but I have a lot of cash game experience

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stakes?
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

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but I have a lot of cash game experience

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Mostly $1-$2 recently. Some $2-$4 and a little $3-$6. This is definately an easier call in a cash game, because I can just reload....here I'm out if I'm wrong, obviously.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

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but I have a lot of cash game experience

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Mostly $1-$2 recently. Some $2-$4 and a little $3-$6. This is definately an easier call in a cash game, because I can just reload....here I'm out if I'm wrong, obviously.

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Don't ever say that again and you will be much better off.

Early in big MTTs cEV correlates almost perfectly with $ev. If you think that this call is +ev then it should be a call, end of story.
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Old 04-15-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Sunday Million....KK and I\'m hating life

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but I have a lot of cash game experience

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Mostly $1-$2 recently. Some $2-$4 and a little $3-$6. This is definately an easier call in a cash game, because I can just reload....here I'm out if I'm wrong, obviously.

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This type of thinking is wrong. The players are much worse in this tourney than they are in most online cash games. I think this is definitely a call.
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