2nd hand story: Phil Laak $70k angle-shoot

[mxyzptlk]

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Do you think it is about the Matusows of poker badgering other players until they get them to make a mistake ?


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metagame skillz baby.

[The B]

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Something like this happened to snakehead at the 2005 WSOP and he posted about it here as an angle shoot and everyone on the forum agreed with him.

Times have changed.

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can you link this plz???

[BrandiHawbaked]

Phil Laak is a hustler and a scum, he's known in the poker world as a dirtbag, u dont want to play against him, he's also a sore loser, him and ANtonio are mediocre players but they resort to bad tactics to fool players.

[ArmenH]

They should both just come out of the closet already.

[bigfishead]

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Heard it. *Kinda* true. More interesting is the story of the 70k pot he lost at bellagio when the dealer and floor (not the usual high limit floor, the bitchy fat older woman) told him he couldn't run it twice, after he and the other player had already agreed to it...

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These forums suck. You think it's ok because two players agreed on it?

That bitchy woman was upholding the rules. One dealer got suspended this month because he ran em twice just to make two puckey poker players happy. Do you think those poker players paid his nut for the 3 days lost work? or offered him any compensation for his record being blemished?

Screw these babies that want it "their way". They new the house rules going in. Go by them or GTFO.

[F0rtysxity]

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What would you consider an angle? Give an example of something please?

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This is not an angle shoot, rather standard actually. An angle shoot I saw last night was between two players who began joking around with one another and getting chummy. After player B raises and gets reraised player A goes all in. Player B shows the other player next to him his cards, and player A sees the hand AKs. He kicks him under the table letting him know that his hand is no good. Player B folds and would have won vs 1010 and A5s.

Now that hand wouldn't have been an angle shoot if they weren't hobknobbing it up for the hour before hand.

Another classic angle shoot is when a 'friend' of yours says he's got you beat and will show his hand and turns over a flush draw which is something I see all the time. bs.

Anyway, to recap: Phil's play was not an angle shoot and he didn't do anything unethical. Actually that play should be applauded.

[Daddy Warbucks]

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Anyway, to recap: Phil's play was not an angle shoot and he didn't do anything unethical. Actually that play should be applauded.

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Now you're reaching.

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Some guy bets $2k on the river. 20 chips of $100.
Phil Laak reaches to a stack at the back of his chips and grabs 20 chips of $5k each.
After pretending like he was 'calling' the 20 chips bet the dealer tells him that Laak just bet $100k.

Laak says that he only meant to call $2k and that it was an accident. Dealer won't let him take his bet back because his chips were already out there and he never said "call."

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Absolutely an angle shoot.

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Phil was doing his regular comedic schtick when he said he "should have just called" You've seen him play.
Verbatim: Phil said:

after about 20 seconds:

"maybe I should have just called"

30 more seconds go by

"yeah I should have just called"

Phil reaches into pot to retrieve the chips in excess of the original bet, as if to leave only a call...

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Probably not an angle shoot. The reaching into the pot is very fishy.

Plays cross the line when you attempt to break a rule, knowing full well the house will not allow you to. E.g., 'accidentally' raising and then asking to change it into a call.

[Dynasty]

There is a Phil Laak interview in this month's Two Plus Two Internet Magazine. In it, he discuss this hand and the hand with Antonio on High Stakes Poker.

30 Questions with Phil Laak

[MicroBob]

Thanks for that Dynasty.

Glad he took the opportunity to clear that up and I certainly believe his version WAY more than some guy who was rail-birding and told an entire 2/5 NL table in Tunica about it.

I don't know if Phil is reading this anymore or not but I do want to extend an apology to him about misrepresenting what happened.

Although I made it pretty clear that it was a 2nd hand story from a guy I had never met before who might be totally full of it.

Phil made several comments in the article about 'the guy who made that post'.
Well, I was the guy who made that post but I wasn't the one rail-birding the game.

Maybe Phil thinks I made up the in-between guy and that I really was the one who was there.
But many who know me on 2+2 can tell you that I really am located in Memphis and that I just don't go to the LA casinos (have never been there).

I just reported the story as it was told to me and went out of my way to mention that I was not the one who witnessed it and it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt.


I'm not sure if reporting this story was incredibly irresponsible of me or not.
Phil seemed to take a lot of heat over this incredibly inaccurate story and I definitely feel kind of bad about that.

But I've also seen some other pretty crazy, juicy gossip posted in this forum before and I really didn't think that reporting some 2nd-hand story would turn into such a big deal.

Anyway, apologies again Phil.
Glad you came forward to straighten it out.
If ever we do meet (unlikely but you never know) I hope all will be fine.